[B-Greek] Luke 5:30 - KAI EGOGGUZON hOI FARISAIOI KAI hOI GRAMMATEIS **AUTWN**

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Jul 3 07:55:28 EDT 2007


On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Jonathan Robie wrote:

> Luke 5:30 (Unicode)
>
> 30 καὶ ἐγόγγυζον οἱ Φαρισαῖοι καὶ  
> οἱ γραμματεῖς **αὐτῶν**
> πρὸς τοὺς μαθητὰς αὐτοῦ
> λέγοντες,
> Διὰ τί μετὰ τῶν τελωνῶν καὶ  
> ἁμαρτωλῶν
> ἐσθίετε καὶ πίνετε;
>
> Luke 5:30 (B-Greek transliteration)
>
> 30 KAI EGOGGUZON hOI FARISAIOI KAI hOI GRAMMATEIS **AUTWN**
> PROS TOUS MAQHTAS AUTOU
> LEGONTES,
> DIA TI META TWN TELWNWN KAI hAMARTWLWN
> ESQIETE KAI PINETE;
>
> I'm not quite sure if I'm correctly understanding the function of  
> AUTWN
> in the first line of this passage. The verb EGOGGUZON has two objects:
>
> EGOGGUZON
> hOI FARISAIOI KAI hOI GRAMMATEIS (Subject)
> AUTWN (Object A)
> PROS TOUS MAQHTAS AUTOU (Object B)


No, no, no, no. αὐτῶν (AUTWN) is simply a pronoun with ἱ  
Φαρισαῖοι (hOI FARISAIOI) as its antecedent. More often than  
not we find GRAMMATEIS and FARISAIOI coupled, but on occasion we see  
the GRAMMATEIS with a genitive FARISAIWN. Most notably this is the  
case in καὶ οἱ γραμματεῖς τῶν  
Φαρισαίων ἰδόντες ὅτι ἐσθίει μετὰ  
τῶν ἁμαρτωλῶν καὶ τελωνῶν ἔλεγον  
τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ· ὅτι μετὰ τῶν  
τελωνῶν καὶ ἁμαρτωλῶν ἐσθίει;  (KAI hOI  
GRAMMATEIS TWN FARISAIWN IDONTES hOTI ESQIEI META TWN hAMARTWLWN KAI  
TELWNWN ELEGON TOIS MAQHTAIS AUTOU: hOTI META TWN TELWNWN KAI  
hAMARTWLWN ESQIEI?) That's likely the source on which Luke draws in  
5:30, and I think he's taken the linkage of the scribes with the  
Pharisees direclty from Marcan phrasing (or it could of course be  
from shared oral tradition). Scribes as Torah-scholars and  
interpreters would certainly have an affinity with Pharisees in  
perspective and might very well be associated with them in groups, so  
that we might refer to a couple scribes in a group of Pharisees; I  
think that's the sense of the combination GRAMMATEIS TWN FARISAIWN.

Carl


>
> BDAG mentions GOGGUZW PROS TINA, referring to Exodus 17:3, and says it
> means to complain "against someone". My sense of that English  
> phrase is
> that to complain against someone means that person is the reason  
> you are
> complaining, but in Exodus 17:3, the people seem to be complaining  
> *to*
> Moses:
>
> Exodus 17:3
> (Unicode) ἐγόγγυζεν ἐκει̃ ὁ λαὸς  
> πρὸς Μωυση̃ν
> (B-Greek transliteration) EGOGGUZEN EKEI hO LAOS PROS MWUSHN
>
>  From the context, it looks to me as though Object A, AUTWN, is  
> what the
> Pharisees are complaining about - the disciples, and Object B is who
> they are complaining to. True?
>
> Jonathan
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