[B-Greek] Luke 4:7

Steve Runge srunge at logos.com
Thu Jun 14 09:36:58 EDT 2007


Dirk,

You raise a very valid point.  This is why I have focused on a cross-linguistic framework which does not just describe anomalies of the GNT, or a specific writer, but acknowledges the broader patterns and constraints of language.  I have reviewed and analyzed the non-biblical papyri materials I studied in my MA program, as well as a bit of I Clement.  The framework that I alluded to in my posts yesterday work well.  

If the principles at work in the GNT are indeed linguistic and not just stylistic, then they should be readily found in the larger Greek corpus.  

I am afraid that Iver and I will agree to disagree.  He acknowledges only one of two basic principles, and the difference in our presuppositions will inevitably lead to opposite analyses.

I think NT studies would be well served by seeing grammatical analyses expand beyond the GNT corpus, especially with something as specific as PAS.  For those interested, there was a recent dissertation from Dallas Theological Seminary on this topic, but I think that it was more concerned with semantics than syntax.  Your point is well taken, Dirk.

Regards,

Steve 

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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Jongkind
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Luke 4:7

Iver Larsen wrote:

I invite everyone to do their own research on the pragmatic significance of the placement of PAS in Greek. There are 1243 of them in the GNT, and this would be a nice MA thesis or research paper. It should be set within a general framework of word order significance.
A smaller research could look at the 26 times that PANTA and TAUTA occur together. One would need to be able to describe why PANTA sometimes occurs first, and why it sometimes occurs last.


Sorry to jump in, but I am a little skeptical about such a proposal. 
First of all is assumes that the GNT as such is a sufficient research base, which it hardly is. Aren't we talking about something like 130.000 words spread over at least 8 authors? Secondly, it assumes that this phenomenon has equal meaning for each author at each occurrence.

On the upside, it is always worthwhile to go and check these things, even if you arrive at a negative result.

Cheers,
Dirk

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