[B-Greek] Rom 3.23 and temporal implicature
Amis, Benjamin
Benjamin.Amis at asbury.edu
Mon Apr 21 17:28:10 EDT 2008
Is the aorist here being simply stated, or is it expressing a simply stated past time? It looks like Paul is just expressing the idea of "they sinned", using the third person plural hHMARTON. It seems one could infer that we all have sinned because of the Fall, and that Paul is alluding to that particular instance.
Further, the verb hUSTEREW (used in the passage as hUSTEROUNTAI) could be middle OR passive, but more importantly is in the present, "they are continually falling short themselves". I believe that when Paul writes, "PANTES GAR hHMARTON KAI hUSTEROUNTAI" he is still conveying a sense of continual sin. I read this as saying while the reception of humanity's sin nature occurred once at the Fall (hence why hAMARTANW is aorist), we continually lapse back into that sin nature (why hUSTEREW is present).
Benjamin Amis
Biblical Languages Student
Asbury College
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Eddie Mishoe
Sent: Mon 4/21/2008 12:44 AM
To: Mitch Larramore; B Greek
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rom 3.23 and temporal implicature
Mitch:
I know we've talked about this before, but this verse
is yet another example of the need to FIRST determine
if a temporal proposition is being made. Too often we
look at the details (morphology) of the words in a
passage before we assess the temporal nature of the
proposition.
The idea is not "we have all sinned sometime in the
past..." There is no attempt to establish a temporal
or chronological sequence here other than what
sequences logically stand. The Aorist simply gathers
the idea of sin into one ball of wax and comments on
the larger issue of sin.
"...all sin (as a fact of life) and come short (Middle
Voice: having themselves to blame for this) of the
glory of God..."
Eddie Mishoe
Pastor
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