[B-Greek] Matthew 20:30 and 31 punctuation

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed Apr 23 05:48:06 EDT 2008


On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Amis, Benjamin wrote:

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> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Mitch Larramore
> Sent: Tue 4/22/2008 11:52 PM
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> Subject: [B-Greek] Matthew 20:30 and 31 punctuation
>
> I have two questions related to this passage:
>
> KAI IDOU DUO TUFLOI KAQHMENOI PARA THN hODON
> AKOUSANTES hOTI IHSOUS PARAGEI, EKRAXAN LEGONTES,
> KURIE, ELEHSON hHMAS hUIE, DAUID. 31  hO DE OCLOS
> EPETIMHSEN AUTOIS hINA SIWPHSWSIN hOI DE MEIZON
> EKRAXAN LEGONTES, KURIE, ELEHSON hHMAS, hUIE DAUID
>
> (Eclectic text by Goodrick-Kohlenberger. I think this
> is the Greek text behind the NIV. It is the Greek text
> used for my Reader's GNT) I don't feel bad using this
> text because the English is footnoted, not
> interlinear...so, when I don't know a word, I can
> glance down.
>
> Note the difference in punctuation.  ELEHSON hHMAS
> hUIE, DAUID (30) and ELEHSON hHMAS, hUIE DAUID (31).
>
> 1. What could possibly lead to this difference in
> punctuation? I can't see how vs 30 makes any sense at
> all as to how they punctuate it. hUIE would be the
> vocative. Do they assume "Have mercy on us Son,
> David"? hUIE by itself seems awkward.

It is awkward indeed, makes no sense, and is surely a misprint.

> 2. Why does IHSOUS decline but not DAUID?
>
> It is nit picky things like this that bring my studies
> to a snail's pace. I
>
> Mitch Larramore
> Sugar Land, Texas
>
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> Firstly, I have the UBS 4th Edition, and mine reads:
>
>
> KAI IDOU DUO TUFLOI KAQHMENOI PARA THN hODON AKOUSANTES hOTI IHSOUS  
> PARAGEI EKRAXAV LEGOVTES, ELEHSON hHMAS, [KURIE], hUIOS DAUID. hO DE  
> OCLOS EPETIMHSEN AUTOIS hINA SIWPHSWSIN: hOI DE MEIZON EKRAXAV  
> LEGONTES, ELEHSON hHMAS, KURIE, hUIOS DAUID.
>
>
> So, for this reason, I am not sure how to answer you concerning your  
> first point. My Greek does not have the odd punctuation, and HUIOS  
> is in the nominative.
>
> As for the second question, DAUID is just a Greek transliteration of  
> the Hebrew "David", and because of this (and it's stem vowel  
> peculiarity, or lack  thereof) it is simply rendered indeclinable,  
> while IHSOUS is perfectly declinable, just like PAULOS, PETROS,  
> IAKWBOS, or MARIA. But, DAUID simply can't be declined, just like  
> ABRAAM, ISAAK, or IAKWB. And some names even have both declinable  
> and indeclinable forms, such as Saul, which can be SAULOS  
> (declinable) or SAOUL (indeclinable), and Mary has another form  
> (MARIAM) which is indeclinable.
>
> Benjamin Amis
> Biblical Languages Student
> Asbury College
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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