[B-Greek] Further Study

Suttles, Andrew C. (GRC-DSI0) andrew.c.suttles at nasa.gov
Tue Apr 7 15:59:33 EDT 2009


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How is it that the deaf learn to read and write?

Andrew
Cleveland, OH

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>From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org 
>[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of 
>Daniel, Robert S
>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:54 PM
>To: Randall Buth; Charles Johnson
>Cc: B Greek
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Further Study
>
>Maybe you don't need native speakers, but the natural way we 
>learn our native language does involve native speakers. If we 
>don't have the opportunity of being immersed in an environment 
>of native speech, we have to do something artificial that is 
>an effective substitute for the natural language-learning 
>environment. I don't think grammar and translation is it.
>
>I think that part of the difficulty is that children, before 
>they begin to speak full-blown properly formed sentences, are 
>exposed to a large volume of spoken language. They acquire 
>passive language skills -- listening -- before they acquire 
>the active skills of speaking, and before reading and writing. 
>How can a learner expose himself to such a volume of spoken 
>Koine Greek that he can acquire a solid foundation of passive 
>skills upon which to build the active skills? Especially 
>working on one's own!
>Rob Daniel
>
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>[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Randall Buth
>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:44 PM
>To: Charles Johnson
>Cc: B Greek
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Further Study
>
>why are you looking for 'native speakers'? Isn't it possible 
>to learn a language with second language users? language 
>learning and use is a spiraling affair.
>Randall Buth
>
>On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Charles Johnson 
><cpj5117 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I see what you're getting at. It makes sense. The ideal would be to 
>> participate in a community of native Koine-Greek speakers, where I 
>> could constantly be exposed to Koine Greek and learn and 
>grow through 
>> the effort of composing my own thoughts in Koine. However, 
>there is no such community.
>> Unless I have constant recourse to native speakers, my own 
>> compositions will be horrendously Anglicized and without correction.
>> Even when I do get an ok Greek composition, the telltale signs of an 
>> English speaker (sub-verb-obj; adj before noun) are still all too 
>> visible. Is there a way through this impasse?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Randall Buth 
><randallbuth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> you've just taken the first step. knowing that there is 
>somewhere to 
>>> go is step one.
>>> step two is tricky. language learning seems to take place at right 
>>> angles to what some might expect. a clue: if you had done 
>27 units of 
>>> German would you be able to express a few thoughts? would you have 
>>> more of an idea about how to go about it? the biggest 
>paradox of all 
>>> is that you learn a language by using a language, but the learner 
>>> always asks how one can use what they don't know.
>>>  Randall Buth
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Charles Johnson 
><cpj5117 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Terry, thank you for the bibliography. When I say I can 
>read, I mean 
>>>> that I can without too much difficulty take Greek and make 
>English out of it.
>>>> There are many times, though, when I do not comprehend the "why" 
>>>> behind the "what." I cannot always explain why a particular voice, 
>>>> tense, or mood was chosen, or why a certain word ordering. 
>In fact, 
>>>> my classes focused very little on word order.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Buth, I tried. It didn't go so well. I have done very limited 
>>>> composition (especially oral). I also have no background in 
>>>> Classical Greek, a detriment I'm sure. It was a useful exercise in 
>>>> showing me I have a long way to go. It strikes me, though, that I 
>>>> have to improve my skill at understanding what's really 
>going on in 
>>>> the Greek language before I can replicate it myself. Any 
>suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Randall Buth 
><randallbuth at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >I am looking for recommendations for further study
>>>>> resources/programs/readings. I am a seminarian who has completed 
>>>>> about
>>>>> 27
>>>>> credit hours of Biblical Greek. I am comfortable reading 
>in almost 
>>>>> all of the NT (Hebrews is still hard) and have a grammatical 
>>>>> understanding at about the level of Wallace's *Greek 
>Grammar Beyond 
>>>>> the Basics*. I am particularly interested in resources that will 
>>>>> help me apprehend the grammar more precisely.
>>>>> Thanks for all the wisdom,
>>>>> Charlie Johnson>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is important to discovrer what one doesn't know so 
>that it gets 
>>>>> filled in.
>>>>> Try speaking your next three thoughts to yourself in Koine Greek, 
>>>>> and see if you don't discover something.
>>>>> Randall Buth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Randall Buth, PhD
>>>>> www.biblicalulpan.org
>>>>> randallbuth at gmail.com
>>>>> Biblical Language Center
>>>>> Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Randall Buth, PhD
>>> www.biblicalulpan.org
>>> randallbuth at gmail.com
>>> Biblical Language Center
>>> Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Randall Buth, PhD
>www.biblicalulpan.org
>randallbuth at gmail.com
>Biblical Language Center
>Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life
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