[B-Greek] Fwd: Absurdity of Koine Greek accents (was "Allegory about learning Koine Greek")
Joaquim Vieira
jopeunmo at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 26 17:17:11 EDT 2009
Sorry, I meant "millennia", obvious enough, and "foolishness CANNOT
be stopped", may that Greek professor (not of Greek) forgive me if he
ever read this, by any chance...,
>> Let us search for truth, hear truth,
>> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, defend the
>> truth till death, not our wishful-thinking hypo-thesis......That
>> is true scientific spirit...Let those who have ears to hear, hear
>> it. I cannot forget an old teacher of Portuguese of mine who used
>> to say: "Titles and degrees do not extirpate donkey ears from
>> them. Rather they paint them with luminescent paint...."
>
Joaquim
Iniciar mensagem reenviada:
> De: Joaquim Vieira <jopeunmo at hotmail.com>
> Data: 22 de julho de 2009 11h58min57s GMT-03:00
> Para: Nikolaos Adamou<nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>, B-Greek <B-
> Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Assunto: Re: [B-Greek] Absurdity of Koine Greek accents (was
> "Allegory about learning Koine Greek")
> Responder A: Listening at lists.ibiblio.org, to at lists.ibiblio.org,
> the at lists.ibiblio.org, Greeks at lists.ibiblio.org,
> themselves at lists.ibiblio.org
>
> Good to hear some sense! When will it be that we will give up our
> foolish plays on divining how people spoke when there were no means
> to record speech and decide to listen to those who have known their
> own languages for milleniums? As a Greek professor wrote tome some
> time ago, "foolishness can be stopped".....
>
> Joaquim Pedro de Azambuja Vieira
>
> Em 22/07/2009, às 11:21, Nikolaos Adamou escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to offer some quotations from
>> the second chapter of:
>>
>>
>>
>> GRAMMAR OF THE GREEK NEW TESTAMENT IN THE LIGHT OF HISTORICAL
>> RESEARCH
>>
>> BY
>>
>> A. T. ROBERTSON, M.A., D.D., LL.D., LITT.D.
>>
>> Professor of Interpretation of the New Testament in the
>>
>> Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
>>
>> Louisville, Ky.
>>
>> Digitized by Ted Hildebrandt at Gordon College,
>> Wenham, MA
>>
>> March 2006
>>
>>
>>
>> The modern Greek popular speech does
>> not differ materially from the vernacular Byzantine, and thus
>> connects directly
>> with the vernacular κοινή.
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Hatzidakis2 even says: "The
>> language generally spoken to-day in the towns differs less from the
>> common
>> language of Polybius than this last differs from the language Homer."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Knowledge of the modern Greek4
>> helps the student to escape from "the Procrustean bed of the old
>> Greek"
>> which he learned as a fixed and dead thing.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Boltz indeed has advocated modern Greek
>> as the common language for the scholars of the World since Latin is
>> so little
>> spoken.8
>>
>> ...
>>
>> But the modern Greek vernacular has
>> more merit than was once conceded to it
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "Speaking generally, we may say
>> that the Greek of a well-written newspaper [the literary language]
>> is now, as a
>> rule, far more classical than the Hellenistic of the N. T., but
>> decidedly less
>> classical than the Greek of Plutarch."2
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "The diction of the N. T. had a
>> direct influence in moulding the Greek ordinarily used by
>> Christians in the
>> succeeding centuries."4
>>
>> ...
>>
>> After all, an educated Greek knew what
>> he meant better than we do.""
>> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Business
>> Management BMCC / CUNY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:57:37 +0300
>>> From: randallbuth at gmail.com
>>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: [B-Greek] Absurdity of Koine Greek accents (was "Allegory
>>> about learning Koine Greek")
>>>
>>> Christophe, XAIRE
>>>
>>> Thank you for the kind words on the KOINH pronunciation.
>>>
>>> I would like to add an important point for those 'listening':
>>>
>>> we, you and I, agree 100% that it is necessary to speak and use a
>>> language if we want to internalize it, to really know it. And we
>>> need to be able to speak with each other with understanding.
>>> Which also implies being able to hear each other's pronunciation
>>> with understanding.
>>>
>>> To this we might also want to add a modern Greek to a
>>> discussion. It is something not always done in New Testament
>>> studies. I would hope that in the future, New Testament students
>>> would be able to speak with each other, whatever their background,
>>> and even with modern Greeks who would take time to listen to our
>>> archaic ways. Even their occasional problem with YMEIS HMEIS can
>>> be overcome when speaking face to face.
>>>
>>> blessings
>>>
>>> Randall
>>>
>>> --
>>> Randall Buth, PhD
>>> www.biblicalulpan.org
>>> randallbuth at gmail.com
>>> Biblical Language Center
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