[B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 16 16:45:19 EST 2010


Oun Kwon asked:
 
<Does the phrase ‘hUPO KURIOU’ modify anaphorically
 PAIDEOUMEQA? Or
kataphorically KRINOMENOI. Is there a rule in this kind of syntax?>
 
Good question.  I can't imagine a rule that would be
more determinative than the context.  I would say it has
to at least go with KRINOMENOI, but it could go with
both.
 
I like how you have Englished this under your first scenario,
the so called "get" Middle that Conrad talks about.
Conrad says, I think, that you should always try to
construe a M/P as a Middle not a Passive unless there
is an expressed agent.  So your question is not moot.
Since you do not HAVE to take UPO with PAIDEUOMEQA,
I guess I would not.  
 
In other words, since true passives are more rare in
the GNT than we think, I would not make UPO go with
both.  I don't see how it could go with PAIDEUOMEQA
alone, given the context. 
 
CARIS SOI

Mark L


FWSFOROS MARKOS

--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?
To: "B- Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 1:06 PM


Copied below is 1Co 11:30-32

(30)  DIA TOUTO
        EN hUMIN POLLOI ASQENEIS KAI ARRWSTOI
        KAI KOIMWNTAI hIKANOI
(31)  EI DE hEAUTOUS DIEKRINOMEN, OUK AN EKRINOMEQA:
(32)  KRINOMENOI DE hUPO TOU KURIOU PAIDEUOMEQA
        hINA MH SUN TWi KOSMWi KATAKRIQWMEN.

My question is about the phrase hUPO TOU KURIOU in v. 32.

Does the phrase ‘hUPO KURIOU’ modify anaphorically PAIDEOUMEQA? Or
kataphorically KRINOMENOI. Is there a rule in this kind of syntax?

If it is latter, the meaning would be ‘But when we are judged by the
Lord, we get disciplined so that ~’.

Thanks for your expert help.

Oun Kwon.
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