[B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?

Oun Kwon kwonbbl at gmail.com
Tue Feb 16 19:10:02 EST 2010


I'm still getting mixed up with two terms 'anaphora' and 'kataphora',
even after Iver corrected me once quite a while ago, am I not?

'Ana-', as in anachronistic, should go backward, and 'kata' as
'according to' should
go forward, isn't it?

In this example either way the sense would be 'almost same' but it
gives kind of different nuance. English translations go either way. It
does, however, affect the way I was doing exegesis.

As to the 'get' stuff, you reminded me of Carl's comments on the post,
surely more than once. On this occasion, it just come out naturally
without my thinking about the grammar. I love 'get' stuff, don't I?
The kind of simple English words so basic and common in conversational
English was very difficult to get into our brains for ESL when we
tried so hard to learn grammar and difficult vocabulary.

This case reminds me of Mk 16:9
   ANASTAS DE
   PRWI PRWTH SABBATOU
   EFANH PRWTON MARIA THi MAGDALHNHi

In this particular case it is not insignificant (at least to some).
Depending on how you connect the phrase PRWI PRWTH SABBATOU - to
ANASTAS or to EFANH. (Some insist it to go with ANASTAS to tell the
time is early (beginning) of the first day of week, that is, evening
of Saturday. Be that it may be, my concern is just to see it as a
syntax problem.)

Oun Kwon

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Oun Kwon asked:
>
> <Does the phrase ‘hUPO KURIOU’ modify anaphorically
>  PAIDEOUMEQA? Or
> kataphorically KRINOMENOI. Is there a rule in this kind of syntax?>
>
> Good question.  I can't imagine a rule that would be
> more determinative than the context.  I would say it has
> to at least go with KRINOMENOI, but it could go with
> both.
>
> I like how you have Englished this under your first scenario,
> the so called "get" Middle that Conrad talks about.
> Conrad says, I think, that you should always try to
> construe a M/P as a Middle not a Passive unless there
> is an expressed agent.  So your question is not moot.
> Since you do not HAVE to take UPO with PAIDEUOMEQA,
> I guess I would not.
>
> In other words, since true passives are more rare in
> the GNT than we think, I would not make UPO go with
> both.  I don't see how it could go with PAIDEUOMEQA
> alone, given the context.
>
> CARIS SOI
>
> Mark L
>
>



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