[B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?

Iver Larsen iver_larsen at sil.org
Wed Feb 17 23:55:38 EST 2010


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
Cc: "B- Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: 17. februar 2010 03:10
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?


> I'm still getting mixed up with two terms 'anaphora' and 'kataphora',
> even after Iver corrected me once quite a while ago, am I not?
>
> 'Ana-', as in anachronistic, should go backward, and 'kata' as
> 'according to' should
> go forward, isn't it?

I think it is easier if you think of ANA as "up" and KATA as "down". Anaphora 
points up on the page to what has already been said, kataphora/cataphora points 
down to what is still coming.

> In this example either way the sense would be 'almost same' but it
> gives kind of different nuance. English translations go either way. It
> does, however, affect the way I was doing exegesis.

I cannot see that English translations go either way. Which do you refer to? 
Some are clear, some are not clear. Those that are not clear, like NIV, may be 
construed in ways not intended by the translators nor by the original author of 
the Greek text. That happens all the time.

The hUPO phrase grammatically connects to the preceding participle, but the 
participle supports the following finite verb, so we can safely assume that the 
agent is the same for both participle and finite verb, both here and in Mark 
16:9 below.

> This case reminds me of Mk 16:9
>   ANASTAS DE
>   PRWI PRWTH SABBATOU
>   EFANH PRWTON MARIA THi MAGDALHNHi
>
> In this particular case it is not insignificant (at least to some).
> Depending on how you connect the phrase PRWI PRWTH SABBATOU - to
> ANASTAS or to EFANH. (Some insist it to go with ANASTAS to tell the
> time is early (beginning) of the first day of week, that is, evening
> of Saturday. Be that it may be, my concern is just to see it as a
> syntax problem.)

PRWÏ means "early in the morning", and does not refer to the evening or the 
"beginning" of the Jewish day.

Are you thinking of Matthew 28:1 where the text is open to interpretation 
because of the unclear word EPIFWSKW?

Iver Larsen

> Oun Kwon
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oun Kwon asked:
>>
>> <Does the phrase ‘hUPO KURIOU’ modify anaphorically
>> PAIDEOUMEQA? Or
>> kataphorically KRINOMENOI. Is there a rule in this kind of syntax?>
>>
>> Good question. I can't imagine a rule that would be
>> more determinative than the context. I would say it has
>> to at least go with KRINOMENOI, but it could go with
>> both.
>>
>> I like how you have Englished this under your first scenario,
>> the so called "get" Middle that Conrad talks about.
>> Conrad says, I think, that you should always try to
>> construe a M/P as a Middle not a Passive unless there
>> is an expressed agent. So your question is not moot.
>> Since you do not HAVE to take UPO with PAIDEUOMEQA,
>> I guess I would not.
>>
>> In other words, since true passives are more rare in
>> the GNT than we think, I would not make UPO go with
>> both. I don't see how it could go with PAIDEUOMEQA
>> alone, given the context.
>>
>> CARIS SOI
>>
>> Mark L
>>




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