[B-Greek] 2COR. 11:1 MOU & AFROSUNHS

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Tue Jan 5 06:56:53 EST 2010


On Jan 4, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Nikolaos Adamou wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry the previous message had a lot of non sense formating that I do not know how they got into it,
> 
> 2COR. 11:1 Ὄφελον ἀνείχεσθέ μου μικρὸν τῇ ἀφροσύνῃ· 
>            ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνέχεσθέ μου·.
> 
> 2COR. 11:1 OFELON ANEICESQE MOU MIKRON TH AFROSUNH· 
>            ALLA KAI ANECESQE MOU.
> 
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> On your first question
> about the syntax:
> if you take the alternative Byzantine text
> makes it clear that MOY is related to the verb
> since there is no MIKRON TI, but
> MIKRON TH AFROSYNH (in dative and not in genitive).
> MIKRON TI is meaningless

Why is it meaningless? It's a very common sort of expression; cf. BDAG s.v. TIS indef.: 
	b. adj.
	β. serving to moderate or heighten
	‏א‎.  to moderate an expr. that is too definite 42; Mlt-Turner 195).
	‏ב‎.  w. adjectives of quality and quantity to heighten the rhetorical emphasis φοβερά τις ἐκδοχὴ κρίσεως Hb 10:27. βραχύ τι (only) a little 2:7, 9 (Ps 8:6).

> MIKRON TH AFROSYNH makes syntactical sense.

On the other hand, the verb ANECOMAI in antiquity seems regularly construed with the genitive, not with a dative. And why the article with AFROSUNHi?

> MOY is related to the verb because Paul talks about himself
> and this is clear from the text.
> It becomes bleary when instead of the dative article related to AFROSYNH we let it indefinite pronoun.
> AFROSYNH is related to
> ANEICESQE (imperfect of ANEXW) but not to ANECESQE (present).
> 
> 
> The use of the word
> AFROSYNH is important,
> but does not have anything to do with its position in the sentence.
> It has clear and significant theological meaning 
> and Chrysostom has an entire sermon explaining it.
> 
> http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_Migne/John%20Chrysostom_PG%2047-64/In%20illud%20Utinam%20sustineretis%20modicum.pdf
> 
> 
> “See that not just in a simple way must go through
> what is said but we must see exactly around each one of it; 
> Because this is what we simply stays with the listeners 
> when it is read but when we research it, 
> it shows the great wisdom of Paul, 
> his prudence and the incredible guardianship.”
> 
> (the part was put in English by using my imperfect knowledge
> of English, please forgive me shortcomings)
> 
> Is not a rhetoric scheme
> since Paul is using the word AFROSYNH /AFRWN many times in the same chapter in verses
> 16, 17, 19, 21, 23 (PARAFRWN).
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Business Management 
> BMCC / CUNY 
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>> From: kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:52:27 -0800
>> Subject: [B-Greek] 2COR. 11:1 MOU & AFROSUNHS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2Cor. 11:1 Ὄφελον ἀνείχεσθέ μου μικρόν
>> τι ἀφροσύνης· ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνέχεσθέ
>> μου.
>> 
>> 2COR. 11:1 OFELON ANEICESQE MOU MIKRON TI AFROSUNHS· ALLA KAI ANECESQE
>> MOU.
>> 
>> Two questions, the first on syntax ...
>> There has been some disagreement about how to construe the first MOU
>> here, either with the verb directly (H.Alford) or with MIKRON TI along
>> side of AFROSUNHS (H.A.W. Meyer) or with AFROSUNHS (M.E.Thrall) . And
>> then we have ALLA KAI ANECESQE MOU which is a little cryptic. Do we
>> supply a substantive e.g., AFROSUNHS and attach MOU to the substantive
>> or attach MOU directly to the verb?
>> 
>> ... the second question is about word order ...
>> 
>> M.E. Thrall (2Cor ICC v.2 pp. 658-659 ) suggests that AFROSUNHS is
>> "important" because it appears in the middle of the "sense-unit". Not
>> sure what to make of that. I have never encountered a linguistic
>> argument that the middle of a sentence ("sense-unit"?) is a position
>> used to mark an important constituent. On the other hand, AFROSUNHS as
>> a clause final constituent might be in some sense marked as
>> "important". There is some disagreement about the relative status of
>> clause final constituents. Some maintain that clause final position is
>> used for focus constituents. I would suggest that AFROSUNHS is in
>> focus, so to a certain extent I am agreeing with M.E. Thrall but we
>> don't arrive there by the same road.
>> 
>> Elizabeth Kline
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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