[B-Greek] 2COR. 11:1 MOU & AFROSUNHS
Nikolaos Adamou
nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com
Tue Jan 5 17:57:16 EST 2010
On Jan 4, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Nikolaos Adamou wrote:
>
>
> Sorry the previous message had a lot of non sense formating that I do not know how they got into it,
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> 2COR. 11:1 Ὄφελον ἀνείχεσθέ μου μικρὸν τῇ ἀφροσύνῃ•
> ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνέχεσθέ μου•.
> 2COR. 11:1 OFELON ANEICESQE MOU MIKRON TH AFROSUNH•
> ALLA KAI ANECESQE MOU.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On your first question
> about the syntax:
> if you take the alternative Byzantine text
> makes it clear that MOY is related to the verb
> since there is no MIKRON TI, but
> MIKRON TH AFROSYNH (in dative and not in genitive).
> MIKRON TI is meaningless
Carl’s comment
Why is it meaningless? It's a very common sort of expression; cf. BDAG
s.v. TIS indef.:
b. adj.
β. serving to moderate or heighten
א. to moderate an expr. that is too definite 42; Mlt-Turner 195).
ב. w. adjectives of quality and quantity to heighten the
rhetorical emphasis φοβερά τις ἐκδοχὴ κρίσεως Hb 10:27. βραχύ τι
(only) a little 2:7, 9 (Ps 8:6).
Adamou’s response
I did not say that is meaningless in general,
BUT in this particular instance.
MIKRON TI means "something small" or "little bit".
And just TI (5100) has 444 occurrences in NT.
In verse 16 we have TI again as well as TIS.
Πάλιν λέγω, μή τίς με δόξῃ ἄφρονα εἶναι•
εἰ δὲ μή γε, κἂν ὡς ἄφρονα δέξασθε με,
ἵνα κἀγὼ μικρόν τι καυχήσωμαι.
PALIN LEGW, MH TIS ME DOCHi AFRONA EINAI•
EI DE MH GE, KAN hWS AFRONA DECASQE ME,
hINA KAGW MIKRON TI KAUCHSWMAI.
But in 16 hINA KAGW MIKRON TI KAUCHSWMAI means that
that I may boast myself a little BIT.
And it is specific, LITTLE BIT, and not general ANY LITTLE.
The following English translations translate only MIKRON omitting TI
both in 11:1 and 11:16
New International Version
New Living Translation
New American Standard Bible
GOD'S WORD ® Translation
King James Bible
American Standard Version
Douay-Rheims Bible
English Revised Version
ONLY the Interlinear Bible gives for TI - any
In 11:1
bear with me in a little foolishness; (without TI)
bear with me in (any) little foolishness; - I think it is meaningless
or
bear with me in little (bit) foolishness; - I think it is meaningless
While in 11:16
ἵνα κἀγὼ μικρόν τι καυχήσωμαι.
hINA KAGW MIKRON TI KAUCHSWMAI
the interlinear gives for TI one – that I still think it is meaningless
that I may boast myself a little bit – that no one has it, and I think that
not only makes sense, but reflects
the text appropriately.
> MIKRON TH AFROSYNH makes syntactical sense.
Carl’s comment
On the other hand, the verb ANECOMAI in antiquity seems regularly
construed with the genitive, not with a dative.
Adamou’s response
ἀνεχομαί τινα (ANECOMAI TINA) = ὑπομένω (hYPOMENW) = endure
LEXIKON ANWMALWN RHMATWN THS ARXAIAS ELLHNIKHS – A. Georgopapadakou,
21rst ed. Thessaloniki Greece, page 87
ὰνέχομαί τινος (ANECOMAI TINOS) = ἐπιτρέπω (EPITREPW) = allow
LEXIKON ANWMALWN RHMATWN THS ARXAIAS ELLHNIKHS – A. Georgopapadakou,
21rst ed. Thessaloniki Greece, page 28
Carl’s comment
And why the article with AFROSUNHi?
Adamou’s response
Because AFROSUNHi is noun,
and nouns in Greek are together with their corresponding articles.
> MOY is related to the verb because Paul talks about himself
> and this is clear from the text.
> It becomes bleary when instead of the dative article related to AFROSYNH we let it indefinite pronoun.
> AFROSYNH is related to
> ANEICESQE (imperfect of ANEXW) but not to ANECESQE (present).
>
>
> The use of the word
> AFROSYNH is important,
> but does not have anything to do with its position in the sentence.
> It has clear and significant theological meaning
> and Chrysostom has an entire sermon explaining it.
>
> http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/pgm/PG_Migne/John%20Chrysostom_PG%2047-64/In%20illud%20Utinam%20sustineretis%20modicum.pdf
>
>
> “See that not just in a simple way must go through
> what is said but we must see exactly around each one of it;
> Because this is what we simply stays with the listeners
> when it is read but when we research it,
> it shows the great wisdom of Paul,
> his prudence and the incredible guardianship.”
>
> (the part was put in English by using my imperfect knowledge
> of English, please forgive me shortcomings)
>
> Is not a rhetoric scheme
> since Paul is using the word AFROSYNH /AFRWN many times in the same chapter in verses
> 16, 17, 19, 21, 23 (PARAFRWN).
>
>
> ________________________________
> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Business Management
> BMCC / CUNY
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