[B-Greek] TINAS in 1 Cor 9:22

Beata Urbanek beata.urbanek at op.pl
Tue Apr 12 14:45:25 EDT 2011


George, Carl, 
Thanks for your answers.

Beata Urbanek
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George F Somsel 
  To: Beata Urbanek ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TINAS in 1 Cor 9:22


  Perhaps that is so in Polish, but not in Greek.  My statement stands.

   
  george
  gfsomsel 



  … search for truth, hear truth, 
  learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
  defend the truth till death.



  - Jan Hus
  _________ 





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  From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
  To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 9:33:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TINAS in 1 Cor 9:22

   
  George,

  No, suprisingly, the reference is definitely to TINAS. Polish is my motehr tongue, so I think I understand it quite well (much better than English:)
  About PANTWS he writes something else (that it means all ways, all means) and he omits the word in his translation.

  Beata Urbanek
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: George F Somsel 
    To: Beata Urbanek ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TINAS in 1 Cor 9:22


    ἐγενόμην τοῖς ἀσθενέσιν ἀσθενής, ἵνα τοὺς ἀσθενεῖς κερδήσω· τοῖς πᾶσιν γέγονα πάντα, ἵνα πάντως τινὰς σώσω.

    EGENOMHN TOIS ASQENESIN ASQENHS, hINA TOUS ASQENEIS KERDHSW; TOIS PASIN GEGONA PANTA hINA PANTWS TINAS SWSW.

    The word πάντως PANTWS (to which I presume reference is made) is not a noun or an adjective, but an adverb and would thus better be understood as qualifying the verb σώσω SWSW.  Note BDAG's entry s.v. πάντως PANTWS:

    ④ expression of lowest possible estimate on a scale of extent, at least ἵνα πάντως τινὰς σώσω in order to save at least some 1 Cor 9:22 (though by [any and] all means is also prob. here).


     
    george
    gfsomsel 



    … search for truth, hear truth, 
    learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
    defend the truth till death.



    - Jan Hus
    _________ 





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    From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
    To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
    Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 8:31:26 AM
    Subject: [B-Greek] TINAS in 1 Cor 9:22

    Dear List-members,

    I've just been surprised by a commentary on the text.
    One of the Polish scholars tranlates
    hINA PANTWS TINAS SWSW
    as "to save all".
    He explains that TINAS means sort of "each and everyone". 
    I looked up TIS in lexicons but couldn't see such a meaning. 

    Is he right?

    Beata Urbanek


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