[B-Greek] Double article

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 22 07:21:54 EST 2011


Rather than look simply at this one phrase, let's look at a similar phrase.  For 
our purposes let it be Mt 3.2 where we read
[καὶ]λέγων· μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.

There are some differences:  The noun is feminine rather than masculine and we 
have a plural rather than a singular in TWN OURANWN.  Otherwise the structure is 
the same.  I think you are getting confused regarding the phrase ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ 
ἀνθρώπου hO hUIOS TOU ANQRWPOU because you are bringing too much theological 
baggage into the consideration of the phrase.  

 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
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From: Joe Ripley <joseph.ripley at ntlworld.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:09:20 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Double article

Instead of "standard way to state such in Greek" would it not be more accurate 
to say that it is the standard way to translate this into English?

on the web I found this:
In the Koine Greek of the New Testament, the term "the son of man" is invariably 
"ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου", which might be rendered more literally "the son of the 
human being"; however, due to conventions of interpreting the definite article 
in Greek, "the son of man" most scholars believe is a better translation.

Only Jesus and Stephen use the article for  MAN. I have not been able to find 
any case of this in the LXX or in the rest of the NT. Why is the article not 
taken seriously here? 


As for the "read more and you'll see" putdown - read what and where are my 
response?

Joe Ripley

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George F Somsel 
  To: Joe Ripley ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Double article


  I think you're trying to rely on your English language experience too much.  
This is a standard way to state such in Greek.  Read more and you'll see.

  
  george
  gfsomsel 



  … search for truth, hear truth, 
  learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
  defend the truth till death.



  - Jan Hus
  _________ 





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  From: Joe Ripley <joseph.ripley at ntlworld.com>
  To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 5:14:22 PM
  Subject: [B-Greek] Double article

  Dear List - Does anyone have any thoughts about the use of the double article 
in hO hUIOS TOU ANQRWPOU which Jesus used of himself many times?  He even asked 
the newly healed man who had been born blind, if he knew who "The son of the man 
is". Stephen used it too when he saw Jesus at the right side of God.
  In Daniel 7, Revelation 14 and Ezekiel 37 no definite article is used for "son 
of man".
  Could it be some Jewish 'code speak' for Messiah, "The man" being perhaps 
understood to be David or maybe Adam?

  Joe Ripley
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