[B-Greek] Double article
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 22 07:37:23 EST 2011
My apologies, I thought I had included a transliteration of the Greek. Here it
is.
[καὶ]λέγων· μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.
[KAI] LEGWN, "METANOEITE, HGGIKEN GAR hH BASILEIA TWN OURANWN."
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Joe Ripley <joseph.ripley at ntlworld.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 5:21:54 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Double article
Rather than look simply at this one phrase, let's look at a similar phrase. For
our purposes let it be Mt 3.2 where we read
[καὶ]λέγων· μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν.
There are some differences: The noun is feminine rather than masculine and we
have a plural rather than a singular in TWN OURANWN. Otherwise the structure is
the same. I think you are getting confused regarding the phrase ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ
ἀνθρώπου hO hUIOS TOU ANQRWPOU because you are bringing too much theological
baggage into the consideration of the phrase.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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From: Joe Ripley <joseph.ripley at ntlworld.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:09:20 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Double article
Instead of "standard way to state such in Greek" would it not be more accurate
to say that it is the standard way to translate this into English?
on the web I found this:
In the Koine Greek of the New Testament, the term "the son of man" is invariably
"ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου", which might be rendered more literally "the son of the
human being"; however, due to conventions of interpreting the definite article
in Greek, "the son of man" most scholars believe is a better translation.
Only Jesus and Stephen use the article for MAN. I have not been able to find
any case of this in the LXX or in the rest of the NT. Why is the article not
taken seriously here?
As for the "read more and you'll see" putdown - read what and where are my
response?
Joe Ripley
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From: George F Somsel
To: Joe Ripley ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Double article
I think you're trying to rely on your English language experience too much.
This is a standard way to state such in Greek. Read more and you'll see.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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From: Joe Ripley <joseph.ripley at ntlworld.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 5:14:22 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Double article
Dear List - Does anyone have any thoughts about the use of the double article
in hO hUIOS TOU ANQRWPOU which Jesus used of himself many times? He even asked
the newly healed man who had been born blind, if he knew who "The son of the man
is". Stephen used it too when he saw Jesus at the right side of God.
In Daniel 7, Revelation 14 and Ezekiel 37 no definite article is used for "son
of man".
Could it be some Jewish 'code speak' for Messiah, "The man" being perhaps
understood to be David or maybe Adam?
Joe Ripley
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