Date: Tue Feb 25 1997 - 11:39:49 EST

     Dear Charles,
     Thanks for the response. The semantics of the context of Col 1:15 has
     already been addressed in this thread (after my post) in the post by
     Rolf Furuli dated 2/23/97 3:29 am in response to Lee Martin dated
     2/20/1997 8:32 am.

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In a message dated 2/20/1997 10:37:03 PM, wrote:
<<Therefore, I think Paul's audience would naturally have understood the
     expression as Jesus being part of the group of creation, the first. Or
     perhaps a genitive of relation where Jesus is first in time in
     relation to the rest of creation which was not first in time. But to
     support PRWTOTOKOS + genitive as a genitive of subordination, one
     would need to step well outside the plentiful LXX examples. Therefore,
     rather than being appointed or placed as PRWOTOTOKOS, he IS the
     PRWTOTOTKOS of all creation.>>
I think there is one thing you are overlooking here. None of the LXX examples
are contextually similar. The PRWTOTOTKOS PASHS KTISEWS is explained by v. 15.
in other words, the firstborn of creation is also the creator Himself (TA PANT
DI' AUTOU KAI EIS AUTON EKTISTAI). The creator cannot be part of the creation.
I think the semantics of the context makes a genitive of subordination more
likely in this case.
Charles Powell

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