Re: genitive

From: Glen Riddle (
Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 - 13:15:42 EST

Yes! I did mean I Tim. Carl Conrad caught that in 12 minutes! Paul wasn't far
behind. Don't read what I wrote; read what I meant or would have meant if I'd
been thinking what I meant to mean.

Subjective: problem with that is that Paul is exhorting Tim to be a role
model for the believers. If subjective the believers out there would be doing
the modeling. I've always been more open to possessive than most grammars, so
I think I'll buy Carl's view in a New York minute.

Paul S. Dixon wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:18:26 -0700 Glen Riddle <> writes:
> >In Eph. 4.12 we have the phrase "be an example of the believers". I
> >would take the genitive "of believers" as objective gen. However, to do
> >so requires seeing a verbal force in the head noun, typos, which doesn't
> >seem to be in the verb. The verb is not used in the sense of "be an
> >example". Does anyone have a better category for this use of the
> >genitive? Or, can anyone enlighten me on whether this should be a
> >problem--seeing typos as a verbal noun but with a different semantic
> >verbal force than one would find in the verb?
> >Thanks,
> >glen riddle
> I assume you meant 1 Tim 4:12 (but, since Eph 4.12 is the more difficult
> reading, perhaps we should go with that :)).
> At any rate, one could make an interesting case for taking TWN PISTWN as
> a subjective genitive, the idea being that the example was meant to be
> something for the believers to imitate.
> Paul Dixon
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