Re: Phillipians 2:1 PNEUMATOS - Big S or little S?

From: Theodore H. Mann (
Date: Mon Sep 28 1998 - 17:39:43 EDT

How about: "if there is any fellowship in the realm of spirit"?

Theodore "Ted" H. Mann

On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:54:05 -0700 clayton stirling bartholomew
<> writes:
>Tim Duke wrote:
>> Am I correct in thinking that the phrase:
>> could be translated
>> 1) "if any fellowship of spirit" (ie our own spirits)
>> OR 2) "if any fellowship (with each other) that derives from the
>> Spirit"
>> OR 3) "if any fellowship with the (Holy) Spirit"
>> Is it more likely, given that PNEUMATOS is antharous, that the first
>> option is correct? Would the presence of the article still leave us
>> uncertain between option (2) and option (3)?
>It seems that the Koine Greek article is a constant source of
>befuddlement on
>this list and I will admit that I am just about as befuddled as
>I have been reading D.B. Monro, "Grammar of the Homeric Dialect" on
>the use
>of the article (sections 256-64). Monro claims that when an article
>with a noun (or an adjective), the article itself is a substantive
>standing in
>apposition to the noun. I am wondering how much this has changed in
>Attic and
>There are numerous functions that the Greek article can fulfill apart
>from and
>independent of marking a definite substantive. The absence of the
>article with
>PNEUMATOS does not prove much. I suspect that we may be looking for
>information indicated by the absence of the article which the absence
>of the
>article does not give.
>I am raising more questions and not giving answers. I will leave the
>to others more qualified.
>Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
>Three Tree Point
>P.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
>post script
>I think that one of the reasons we become befuddled in our discussions
>of the
>Greek article is or tendency to rush into English translations to make
>point clear. They very process of rendering the Greek article into
>clouds the issue. The Greek article has a set of functions that are
>distinct from the English article. The functional overlap between the
>and English articles is just large enough to lead the unsuspecting
>into the
>error of over looking the big and serious differences. Arguing from
>translations really compounds this problem.
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