[compost_tea] Re: Vortex Brewing Question

From: evanfolds <evan_at_progressearth.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:39:08 -0000

Stephen, have you ever buried a cow horn and/or utilized what is created wi=
thin it on your garden or farm? You should try it.

The horn is actually buried using cow manure to create BD500 and quartz to =
make BD501. The plants and herbs (BD502-508) are created using other means.=
 BD500 is buried during the winter months when the Earth is breathing in, a=
nd BD501 is buried during the summer months when the Earth is breathing out=
. If you dig around there is long term research that confirms the benefits =
of this approach. Here's one. It's interesting to note the data on storage =
losses, which is an indirect association of nutrient density: http://www.jd=
b.se/sbfi/publ/boston/boston7.html

Here's another: http://extension.oregonstate.edu/sorec/sites/default/files/=
comparison.pdf

Not to mention all the vineyards that use these methods. There is no group =
of farmers that pay closer attention to their crops than in viticulture. To=
 me, this is a good mainstream indication that it works.

I've seen some pretty amazing results in personal gardens as well. The dire=
ct benefits really depend on the relative deficiencies in the garden. It se=
ems to fill in the blanks. We call this approach BioEnergetic farming.

Healthy soil is physically, minerally, biologically, and energetically bala=
nced, like four legs of a chair. If one is left out it cannot stand. "Organ=
ics", while better than conventional, is only the materialsitic end of natu=
ral farming. BioEnergetics addresses all four components.

Evan
www.VortexBrewer.com/microbe



--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Steyn" <ssteyn_at_...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim;
>
> What I was asking about was those things not easily researched, but claim=
ed
> nevertheless by people selling the idea.
>
> Like Steiner's concepts, like putting a concoction of weeds in a cows hor=
n
> and burying it on a full moon evening in a manure pile, muttering strange
> words and then diluting it 6000 times and still be left with a concentrat=
e.
>
> You know what I mean?
>
> The vortex is mean to imbue the water with special properties which scien=
ce
> cannot measure, yet they confer certain properties on the plants when
> watered.
>
> SS
>
>
>
>
>
> From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Tim Wilson
> Sent: 08 October 2011 18:26
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Vortex Brewing Question
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Stephen;
>
> That is why the air pump needs to be matched with the volume of water and
> pipe diameter.
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you are asking concerning vortexes. From my
> standpoint a vortex is great for creating a thorough mix with no dead zon=
es.
> There may be some other unknown aspects to what it does to water structur=
e
> but that is not something I know anything about and not something easily
> researched (AFAIK).
>
> Tim
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
 ,
> "Stephen Steyn" <ssteyn_at_> wrote:
> >
> > Tim;
> >
> > Maybe, depending on the characteristics of the pump, one need not have =
the
> > diffuser at the bottom of the riser, but partway up the riser. My reaso=
n
> for
> > adding this is that some pumps quickly run out of volume as the
> backpressure
> > increases - until eventually all you are creating is heat with minimal
> flow.
> >
> > Tim, I still worry about the advantages of the Vortex route. What are y=
our
> > gut feelings or findings in this regard?
> >
> > SS
> >
> >
> >
> > From: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com=
>
> [mailto:compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com=
> ]
> On
> > Behalf Of Tim Wilson
> > Sent: 08 October 2011 03:05
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>=
 
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Vortex Brewing Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm replying to my own post to keep the information under the correct
> > heading. I wish to point out that in Evan's post under wood chunks in
> > compost he addressed what I said concerning vortexes but seemed to have
> > missed the point I made stating that a vortex can be created in more
> simple
> > fashion using only one riser and return pipe. The water is still allowe=
d
> to
> > take the vortex path which it yearns to and this can be adjusted as to
> > direction and intensity by simply twisting the elbows on the PVC pipe.
> >
> > There may be a possibility even probability that a vortex increases the
> > dissolved oxygen (DO2) in water negligibly, however in this situation,
> > scientifically, applying physics, the DO2 is increased via the use of a=
ir
> > lift(s). Actually up to 10 times.
> >
> > Concerning the use of diffusers, it has been measured by some science g=
uys
> > and by me that by using a diffuser at the base of the airlift riser pip=
e
> one
> > can considerably multiply the DO2, over using no diffusers at all. I ha=
ve
> > posted a couple of papers outlining some studies on airlifts in the fil=
es
> > section. One details some of the math employed, the other is not great =
but
> > does mention the diffuser issue. They will probably both make your eyes
> > glaze over but this is part of what I went through determining my air l=
ift
> > diffusion chamber.
> >
> > I have posted some photos of efforts of some of my students to build
> simple,
> > relatively inexpensive airlift [one is super super cheap $10] and vorte=
x
> > brewers using only one airlift and riser/return pipe. As you can see th=
ere
> > is an acceptable vortex created. They have reported outstanding results=
 to
> > me with their gardens but I'm not one to count on testimonials. Who kno=
ws
> > what they are comparing it to?
> >
> > Just so you know, with my advice, they have all switched the air input =
to
> > the horizontal instead of under the riser pipe.
> >
> > One needs to fiddle [or do the math] to get the correct diameter pipe f=
or
> > the pump. EG. I just ran some trials using 3/4 inch, 1 inch and 1.25 in=
ch
> > pipe with the same pump. The 1 inch and 1.25 inch created an identical
> flow
> > but the turbulence was greater with 1 inch and the flow was greatly
> reduced
> > with the 3/4 inch. Go figure.
> >
> > Salutations,
> > Tim
> > Get a duck
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.co=
m>
> <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can generally follow the instructions to building a vortex brewer
> but
> > save yourself a lot of extra effort by using only one riser pipe. Not o=
nly
> > is the vortex pholosophy subjectively questionable but you can obtain a
> > pretty good vortex with one pipe anyway. Do some research a think about
> it.
> > > http://www.microbeorganics.com/#So_You_Wanna_Build_A_Compost_Tea_Brew=
er
> > > BTW, sure you can dump the compost right into the water, so long as i=
t
> > does not have big chunks.
> > >
> > > Salutations,
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:compost_tea%40yahoogroups.com>
> > , "somydi" <somydi_at_> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am new to brewing and in my research on making a 5 gallon tea
> brewer,
> > I am thinking of making a vortex type. The only information I am not su=
re
> > about is if I should contain the compost in a bag or let it cycle throu=
gh
> > the brewer. If I let it cycle then I will need to think about pipe sizi=
ng?
> > Having read so much on the benefits of compost tea, I am looking forwar=
d
> to
> > making my own so any helpful ideas will be welcomed.
> > > > -John
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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