Re: [compost_tea] Re: opinions on fish hydrolysate brands?

From: Matthew Graeff <phishphan12_at_comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:19:00 -0500

Mr. Bewley,

Depending on where you get your information, fish emulsion is heated
anywhere from 180-210 degrees on up. A lot of the oils are also
skimmed off in emulsion, and emulsion contains less sulphuric acid
than hydrolysate (you can google for more differences in the
processes). So in effect, you're saying that just because the oils
separate in shipping or storage from heat, the material is no longer
hydrolysate, but emulsion? Even if you mix it back up? Don't you
think that the separation could occur from the fish oil and the water
added to the carcasses? If you're claim is correct, why wouldn't the
processors just make hydrolysate (a cheaper process), then sit in on a
dock or in tractor trailers on a hot day? If so, you saved them a ton
of money in processing!


Matt
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Jonathan Bewley wrote:

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> If the oil separates from the emulsion it is has been heated and is
> no longer "hydrolysate".
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> I don't have any reason to dispute this but it is something I
> learned at Elaine Ingham's week long intensive workshop that I
> attended this summer.
>
> I wouldn't argue the fact but I choose to believe Elaine. She works
> on facts not hype or feelings.
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> If you think that a jug of hydrolysate can sit on a shipping dock in
> 110 degree weather in Trinity County in the summer time and not heat
> up sufficiently to destroy what was previously preserved through
> careful temp controlled manufacture, you're fooling yourself.
>
> Once the oil separates from the solution it is no longer by
> definition "hydrolysate".
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> From: Matthew Graeff <phishphan12_at_comcast.net>
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: opinions on fish hydrolysate brands?
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> I don't think the fish can be heated enough storage or shipping to
> go from hydrolysate to emulsion.
>
> What I do know is that fish hydrolysate in any form (jug or drum)
> needs to be mixed throughly before pumping or pouring to get the
> right "mix" of oil and fish.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Bewley wrote:
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>> I've been using the Eco Hydro-hydrolsate, the company is not far
>> from me on the coast.
>>
>> You can call and talk with the owners, father and daughter I think.
>>
>> I don't have the jug in front of me so my question is..... Are you
>> talking about their "hydrolysate" product or is the product fish
>> "emulsion". Usually emulsion is blended fish and is used as a
>> fertilizer while hydrolysate, cold processed preserves oil and
>> enzymes and is used for brewing biology.
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>> If you are speaking of hydrolysate, something I learned this year
>> is that if it is heated up in storage or transportation and the oil
>> separates from the emulsion you now have a layer of fish oil on top
>> of fish emulsion. It is no longer hydrolysate. I see the stuff they
>> have on the shelf separated more often than not and try to explain
>> it to the store employees but they look at me like I'm crazy and
>> they don't ever do anything about it.
>>
>> Depending on where you live, you may want to find another resource
>> or contact them directly for sales. Or order it during the winter
>> months when there is less chance of heat separation.
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>> From: Jim <jim_at_treesolutions.com>
>> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:35 AM
>> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: opinions on fish hydrolysate brands?
>>
>> Hello,
>> We have been using this product for approximately three years and
>> can endorse the quality and are happy with the results we get. We
>> use it to brew teas and as an ingredient in our extract
>> applications. We plan to try it as a foliar application this spring.
>> Jim
>> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jerry G <jguizar_at_...> wrote:
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>> > On 12/2/2011 3:44 PM, l4177312 wrote:
>> > > Hello group-
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone have an opinion on the Eco-Hydro Fish Liquid
>> Fertilizer.
>> > > http://www.econutrients.com/product_fish.html
>> > >
>> > > I can buy it locally, so I was wondering if a 'low-heat'
>> process is as effective as a cold processed hydrolysate.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> >
>> > I never used that, but I did pick up a gallon from Earthfort
>> > on sale last month. I see they're currently on backorder now.
>> > http://www.earthfort.com/products/supplies/fish-hydrolysate.html
>> >
>> > I like the results I've seen so far.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> >
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