protein hydrolysate a mixture of amino acids prepared by splitting a prote=
in with acid, alkali, or enzyme; used as a fluid and nutrient replenisher.
fish hydrolysate is a protein hydrolysate that is in a fish oil/water matri=
x. because fish hydrolysates are not emulsified they will seperate into a =
water/oil phase. mayonaze and milk are examples of emulsions.
fish hydrolysate is still a hydrolysate even if you allow the bottle to hea=
t up. hydrolysate is an issue of chemistry and not a physical state.
having a fish hydrolysate phase does not change its usefulness because all =
you need to do is mix it up to make the solution more uniform.
most fish hydrolysates I have used vary more in how much they stink than th=
eir performance.
my 2 cents.....
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wilson" <thegoodjob_at_...> wrote:
>
> If you wish to learn something of facts and hype, I suggest that you very=
, very carefully read through the archives of this forum.
>
> I agree that it may not be good for hydrolysate to sit in the heat but it=
is not accurate to say that it is turned into emulsion.
>
> Hydrolysate indicates enzymatic digestion. This is not reversed because t=
he product sits in the sun.
>
> Tim
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Bewley <ummyepp_at_> wrote:
> >
> > If the oil separates from the emulsion it is has been heated and is no =
longer "hydrolysate".
> >
> > I don't have any reason to dispute this but it is something I learned a=
t Elaine Ingham's week long intensive workshop that I attended this summer.
> >
> > I wouldn't argue the fact but I choose to believe Elaine. She works on =
facts not hype or feelings.
> >
> > If you think that a jug of hydrolysate can sit on a shipping dock in 11=
0 degree weather in Trinity County in the summer time and not heat up suffi=
ciently to destroy what was previously preserved through careful temp contr=
olled manufacture, you're fooling yourself.
> >
> > Once the oil separates from the solution it is no longer by definition =
"hydrolysate".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Matthew Graeff <phishphan12_at_>
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: opinions on fish hydrolysate brands?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think the fish can be heated enough storage or shipping to go f=
rom hydrolysate to emulsion.
> >
> > What I do know is that fish hydrolysate in any form (jug or drum) needs=
to be mixed throughly before pumping or pouring to get the right "mix" of =
oil and fish.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Bewley wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >I've been using the Eco Hydro-hydrolsate, the company is not far from =
me on the coast.
> > >
> > >
> > >You can call and talk with the owners, father and daughter I think.
> > >
> > >
> > >I don't have the jug in front of me so my question is..... Are you tal=
king about their "hydrolysate" product or is the product fish "emulsion". U=
sually emulsion is blended fish and is used as a fertilizer while hydrolysa=
te, cold processed preserves oil and enzymes and is used for brewing biolog=
y.
> > >
> > >
> > >If you are speaking of hydrolysate, something I learned this year is t=
hat if it is heated up in storage or transportation and the oil separates f=
rom the emulsion you now have a layer of fish oil on top of fish emulsion. =
It is no longer hydrolysate. I see the stuff they have on the shelf separat=
ed more often than not and try to explain it to the store employees but the=
y look at me like I'm crazy and they don't ever do anything about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >Depending on where you live, you may want to find another resource or =
contact them directly for sales. Or order it during the winter months when =
there is less chance of heat separation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Jim <jim_at_>
> > >To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:35 AM
> > >Subject: [compost_tea] Re: opinions on fish hydrolysate brands?
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > >We have been using this product for approximately three years and can =
endorse the quality and are happy with the results we get. We use it to bre=
w teas and as an ingredient in our extract applications. We plan to try it =
as a foliar application this spring.
> > >Jim
> > >--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, Jerry G <jguizar_at_> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 12/2/2011 3:44 PM, l4177312 wrote:
> > >> > Hello group-
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anyone have an opinion on the Eco-Hydro Fish Liquid Fertilize=
r.
> > >> > http://www.econutrients.com/product_fish.html
> > >> >
> > >> > I can buy it locally, so I was wondering if a 'low-heat' process i=
s as effective as a cold processed hydrolysate.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >>
> > >> I never used that, but I did pick up a gallon from Earthfort
> > >> on sale last month. I see they're currently on backorder now.
> > >> http://www.earthfort.com/products/supplies/fish-hydrolysate.html
> > >>
> > >> I like the results I've seen so far.
> > >>
> > >> Jerry
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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