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Re: The Limits To Growth
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Subject: Re: The Limits To Growth
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From: Dale Wagner <dwagner@mail.coos.or.us>
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 11:13:30 -0800
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Article: 17031 of alt.sustainable.agriculture
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Organization: South Coast Area Network
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Mason A. Clark wrote:
> > Now a reaction has set in: many people have looked at what went on
> > under the aegis of "environmentalism" over the last thirty years, and
> > found much of it lacking.
> >
> Where the hell have you been living these last thirty years? If it weren't
> for the environmentalist who started controlling smog more than thirty
> years ago, California would now be unlivable..
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But now you are saying man must go so nature can live. You have went as
far off as to be a haszardous to mans health as the pollution was before.
Until the 'middle' ground is achieved, we are going to have this fight.
Almost all pollution is caused indirectly. The air in Cal was polluted
by cars burning 'cheap' fuel. 'cleaner burning' fuel cost more to
produce and so you wouldn't buy it. Riding a bus didn't fit your
lifestyl, so you drove 50 miles to work. You wanted to 'project' class
when you went to your job interview and so 'had' to have a Caddy.
Madison Ave created most of the problem by creating a socity that had to
have 'status' symbels instead of essencials.
Now we have a class of people that is sitting in a wood house telling us
not to cut trees, buying their food at the supermarket and telling us how
to farm, and ect. Get real! Show us how by example! Especially how to
feed our familys when the morgage is half the income. If this wasn't
empty retheric, the Earth First and Greenpeace would be the ones
promoting and operating the abortion clinics and other population control
clinics. Hugging a tree or kissing a owl's ass is not going to save
nothing. Developing an alternitive that is viable will.
Rewarding responsible stewardship is the best way to do it. Tax those
who damage the world and give incentives to those who improve it. BUT
you also have to remember that TODAYS BEST ANSWER may be TOMORROWS
PROBLEM. Only by keeping a open mind and continuously researcing will we
gain.
I was an envoirenmentalist long before most of you got on the wagon and
still am. Most of you remind me of a visitor that came to the ranch one
time. He got carrying on about how wonderful it was to can some of the
fruit from his garden so as tto have it later. He'd canned up 16 pints.
I asked the neighbor lady,who was politly listening to his spiel, how
much she'd canned so far as the season was about 2/3 over. She replied,
"600 quarts."
Dale Wagner
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