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Re: The Limits To Growth
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Subject: Re: The Limits To Growth
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From: masonc@ix.netcom.com (Mason A. Clark)
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Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 18:41:54 GMT
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Article: 17056 of alt.sustainable.agriculture
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Organization: The Frontal Lobe
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Reply-To: masonc@ix.netcom.com
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On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 Dale Wagner <dwagner@mail.coos.or.us> wrote at some
length and offerred some good ideas.
> Mason A. Clark wrote: (a bunch of pro-environmentalism stuff (mac))
> > > Now a reaction has set in: many people have looked at what went on
> > > under the aegis of "environmentalism" over the last thirty years, and
> > > found much of it lacking.
> > >
OK, be specific. Did they miss some super-polluted sites or what?
> > Where the hell have you been living these last thirty years? If it weren't
> > for the environmentalist who started controlling smog more than thirty
> > years ago, California would now be unlivable..
> .
> But now you are saying man must go so nature can live. You have went as
> far off as to be a haszardous to mans health as the pollution was before.
I missed that part. Where did I say anything of the kind?
> Until the 'middle' ground is achieved, we are going to have this fight.
HEAR ! HEAR !
> Almost all pollution is caused indirectly. The air in Cal was polluted
> by cars burning 'cheap' fuel.
How is that "indirect"?
> 'cleaner burning' fuel cost more to produce and so you wouldn't buy it.
Not so, we took out the lead and recently switched to a "cleaner" gasoline.
Also spent more than other states reducing exhaust pollutants by special
"California" auto engines.
> Riding a bus didn't fit your lifestyl, so you drove 50 miles to work.
The bus didn't go from here to there. I did vote money for public
transportation and we do have more buses. A long way yet to go.
> Especially how to feed our familys when the morgage is half the income.
One way, get an environmental job. Rampant environmentalism would
create many jobs - already has in fact.
> If this wasn't
> empty retheric, the Earth First and Greenpeace would be the ones
> promoting and operating the abortion clinics and other population control
> clinics.
It's the Industrial Revolution: job specialization.
> Hugging a tree or kissing a owl's ass is not going to save
> nothing. Developing an alternitive that is viable will.
> Rewarding responsible stewardship is the best way to do it. Tax those
> who damage the world and give incentives to those who improve it.
HEAR HEAR ! But how to overcome the anti-environmentalist
ideologues who slam any and all efforts - even efforts to publish data?
> BUT you also have to remember that TODAYS BEST ANSWER may be
>TOMORROWS PROBLEM.
Yes, the "law of unintended consequences." But it's hard to know in
advance. Fear must be overcome so as to try "today's best answer."
> Only by keeping an open mind and continuously researching will we gain.
Can we post this as a FAQ and keep it always before us?
> Most of you remind me of a visitor that came to the ranch one
> time. He got carrying on about how wonderful it was to can some of the
> fruit from his garden so as to have it later. He'd canned up 16 pints.
> I asked the neighbor lady,who was politly listening to his spiel, how
> much she'd canned so far as the season was about 2/3 over. She replied,
> "600 quarts."
Big oaks from little acorns grow. Even Campbells started with one can.
We've cut down more than 95% of the redwoods in California. May we save a few?
By the way, cutting down zero redwoods when they're all gone won't be paying
any mortgages.
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Mason A Clark masonc@ix.netcom.com
Political-Economics, Comets, Weather
The Healing Wisdom of Dr. P.P.Quimby
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3210
www.netcom.com/~masonc
Vickery on the "Deficit" and notes on Vickrey
www.netcom.com/~masonc/vickrey.html
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3210/vickrey.html
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