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Re: The Limits To Growth
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Subject: Re: The Limits To Growth
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From: tamco1@ix.netcom.com(Thomas A McGraw)
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Date: 8 Dec 1996 09:38:28 GMT
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Article: 17086 of alt.sustainable.agriculture
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Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc, alt.org.earth-first, alt.politics.economics, alt.politics.greens, alt.save.the.earth, alt.sustainable.agriculture, sci.agriculture, sci.econ, sci.energy, sci.environment, talk.environment, tor.general
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Organization: Netcom
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In <589jjn$71g_002@pm3-145.hal-pc.org> charliew@hal-pc.org (charliew)
writes:
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>In article <32a85ed6.1311993@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> masonc@ix.netcom.com (Mason A. Clark) wrote:
>(BIG CUT)
>
>>I've been looking into the problem of ideology - there's at least one
very
>>good page on the web if anyone's interested. The word that keeps
>reappearing
>>is "FEAR" - in many cases irrational. The fear that drives the
>environmentalism
>>ideology seems apparent. Whether it's irrational could be debated,
but
>obviously
>>not here.
>>
>>Now the question is: what is the nature of the fear that is so
driving
>the
>>anti-environmentalism ideology? The profit motive is obvious for the
>Pollyanna
>>book sellers. But what fear is driving you?
>>
>
>Finally! A news reader who is observant enough to ask questions about
a
>non-environmentalist.
>
>The fear that drives me is the fear that my employer (a refiner) will
be
>regulated out of existence in this country (U.S.). When I can work
inside
>a refinery, and see little evidence of pollution, it seems that the
>regulations are probably strict enough as they are.
>
>Another issue, which is more of a bother rather than a fear, is the
>apparent stupidity and arrogance of some of the more rabid
>environmentalists. These guys don't seem to realize that I will not
give a
>damn about the environment is I am out of work and hungry. If you
think my
>attitude is bad now, how would you like to see me indiscriminately
chopping
>down trees in order to get enough free fuel to stay warm? Or, how
would
>you like to see me poaching any animal I came across in order to get
enough
>food to survive? Think about it.
>
>BTW, thanks for asking, and have a nice day.
You all are going to have to find some other work. The trend is
to combust less, not more oil.
If you needed a tree to stay warm, you would tend to not use it
inefficiantly. You might want some around for later. Ever eat food from
a tree?
The "environment" isn't "their" problem. The environment isn't
'over there". It's a global thing. Your job is inconsequencial.
You say you, "see little evidence of pollution". Ever been
outside your front door? Do you use a TV? Do you know what a newspaper
is?
Fear comes when decision makers declair that they see little
evidence of pollution.
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