[B-Greek] philip 3:12b 3rd class conditional?
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Mar 23 14:23:50 EST 2004
Surprising--but it seems to me that ATR clearly enough indicates that this
isn't REALLY a conditional construction: DIWKW is not an apodosis and the
EI clause really does function to indicate the author's reason or intention
for "pressing on" (DIWKW). I suppose one might say that there's a
suppresssed apodosis and that what's implicit here is something like, DIWKW
DE: EI KAI KATALABW (EKEINO) EF' hWi KATELHFQHN ..., SPOUDAZW EKEINO
KATALABEIN. "If ever I am to get a grip on that for which I was myself
gripped, I am eager to get a grip on it."
At 10:58 AM -0800 3/23/04, john umland wrote:
>If so be that ei (NT:1487) kai (NT:2532). "I follow
>after." The condition (third class, ei (NT:1487) ...
>katalaboo (NT:2638), second aorist active subjunctive
>of katalambanoo (NT:2638)) is really a sort of purpose
>clause or aim. There are plenty of examples in the
>Koine of the use of ei (NT:1487) and the subjunctive
>as here (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1017), "if I also may
>lay hold of that for which ef' (NT:1909) hoo
>(NT:3739), purpose expressed by epi (NT:1909) I was
>laid hold of kateleemftheen (NT:2638), first aorist
>passive of the same verb katalambanoo (NT:2638) by
>Christ Jesus." His conversion was the beginning, not
>the end of the chase.
>(from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament,
>Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft &
>Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament.
>Copyright (c) 1985 by Broadman Press)
>
>--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>wrote:
>> At 7:46 AM -0800 3/23/04, john umland wrote:
>> >DIWKW DE EI KAI KATALABW EF hW KAI KATELHMFQHN hUPO
>> >CRISTOU
>> >
>> >i read that this is a third class conditional
>> although
>> >it is not EAN + subjunctive but EI + subj. Can
>> >KATELHMFQHN be taken as the protasis and KATALABW
>> as
>> >the apodosis? Robertson and Bruce call this a
>> purpose
>> >clause. How so?
>>
>> Where did you read that? I don't think that DIWKW is
>> the apodosis of a
>> conditional construction but rather than the EI +
>> subjunctive clause here
>> is an indirect question--and that is what we find in
>> BDAG s.v. EI 5.b.beta:
>>
>> "w. subj. DIWKW EI KAI KATALABW I press on (to see)
>> whether I can capture
>> Phil 3:12 (B-D-F ß368; 375; Rob. 1017)."
>> --
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University
>> (Emeritus)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
>> 675-4243
>> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
>John Umland
>
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>
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Carl W. Conrad
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