[B-Greek] XWRIS TELOYS vs. META TELOYS and EXEI TELOS

Kimmo Huovila kimmo.huovila at kolumbus.fi
Tue Sep 23 00:23:39 EDT 2008


On maanantai 22 syyskuu 2008, Randall Buth wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Kimmo egrapse
> >
> >>Few grammatical terms are as unfortunate as the aorist:
> > hH AORISTH OYIS (aspect) OUK ESTIN CWRIS hOROU ALL' ECEI TELOS. TOUT' 
ESTIN:
> > hH AORISTH OYIS hORISTH ESTIN. hH DE PARATATIKOS (imperfect) CRONOS 
AORISTOS
> > ESTIN EN OYEI (aspectually) MH ECON TELOS MHDE hOROU (EN OYEI LOGOU, 
within
> > the scope of predication) . DIA GAR TI hOI hELLHNES WNOMAZON THN AORISTHN
> > OYIN AORISTHN? OUK OIDA. TAXA hH LEXIS ECEI DYNAMIN "pragmatically 
unmarked"?
> > hO AORISTOS CRONOS ESTIN PARELHLUQWS CRONOS (CWRIS TINWN DYNAMEWN OUK 
ECOUSWN
> > CRONON). DIONYSIOS hO QRAIKOS EN THi TECNHi GRAMMATIKHi ENOMIZE hOTI 
CRONOS
> > ESTIN KAI MOI DOKEI hOTI ORQWS ENOMIZE (CWRIS ANWMALIWN :-) ).
> >>
> >
> >
> > DIA TI? ERWTAS.
> >
> > DIA TO MH PROSTIQENAI TI THN  AORISTHN OPSIN.

NOMIZW hOTI OUCI.

> > H PARATAIKH OPSIS PROSTIQHSI "TO XWRIS TELOYS EINAI"
> > H PARAKEIMENH OPSIS PROSTIQHSI OTI TO PRAGMA ESTHKE.
> > ALLA H AORISTOS OYDEN PROSTIQHSI.

EI hH PARATATIKH OYIS PROSTIQHSI "TO CWRIS TELOUS EINAI", hH AORISTOS OYIS 
PROSTIQHSI "TO META TELOS EINAI". The aorist is often semantically marked even 
if pragmatically unmarked. hO AORISTOS POLLAKIS PROSTIQHSI DUNAMIN TWi LOGWi.

> PS: On reading my own post  I see that both Kimmo and I misspelled
> THN AORISTON OPSIN.
> My second mention was correct H AORISTOS.

ONTWS. ETI hHMARTON GRAYAS "MH ECON TELOS MHDE hOROU" ANTI TOU "MH ECON TELOS 
MHDE hORON" KAI "EN THi TECNHi GRAMMATIKHi" ANTI TOU "EN TECNHi GRAMMATIKHi". 
TACA KAI ALLO TI.

Kimmo Huovila



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