[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 19 11:21:28 EDT 2011
Let me attempt to be a bit more plain regarding the matter of ὅς hOS in this
passage and the matter of causality. I would say that there is a certain
causality expressed, but it DOES NOT LIE IN THE RELATIVE. The causality lies
rather in the manner in which the author has structured the argument. He could
have said
Παρακαλῶ οὖν πρῶτον πάντων ποιεῖσθαι δεήσεις ... ὑπὲρ πάντων ἀνθρώπων.
[intervening material]
PARAKALW OUN PRWTON PANTWN POIEISQAI DEHSEIS ... hUPER PANTWN ANQRWPWN
[intervening material]
Then he might have come to a full stop to begin again
θεὸς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
QEOS PANTAS ANQRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNWSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN.
Would there have been any less causality in such ? I don't think so. It is the
sequence of the statements which holds the causality and not the one word ὅς
hOS. I would say that the causality as the reason for the offering of prayers
is not so much stated as implied.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
To: Beata Urbanek <beata.urbanek at op.pl>; BG <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 7:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
Plus another question:)
One of the commentators says that hOS has a causal meaning: "because He wants
all people to be saved". I cannot find such meaning of this pronoun.
Beata Urbanek
> Thanks to all who responded.
>
> The text again:
> 4. ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
> 4. hOS PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS QELEI SWQHNAI KAI EIS EPIGNQSIN ALHQEIAS ELQEIN
>
> I have another question.
> Is the position of πάντας ἀνθρώπους at the beginning of the v. 4 emphatic?
>Should the "normal" word order be:
> ὃς θέλει σωθῆναι πάντας ἀνθρώπους.
> hOS QELEI SWQHNAI PANTAS ANQWRWPOUS
>
> Beata Urbanek
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
> To: "Shirley Rollinson" <rollinsondr at yahoo.com>; "BG"
><b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>
>
>> After having looked at all the BOULOMAIs in the NT, I get the impression that
>>it
>> usually refers to the following scenario: I have thought about the situation,
>I
>> have come to a decision or made a plan, and therefore: this is what I want
you
>> to do or this is what I want should happen.
>> If more than one person is involved, the decision would be a result of that
>> consultation, but in most cases the person consults within him- or herself.
>>
>> In 2 Pet 3:9 we read: μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς μετάνοιαν
>> χωρῆσαι
>> MH BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS METANOIAN CWRHSAI
>>
>> (God) is not planning (does not want) for anyone to be destroyed but for all
>to
>> make room for repentance.
>>
>> In 1 Tim 2:4 God would wish (QELEI) for all people to be saved and come to
>>fully
>> know the truth.
>>
>> But he also knows that this will not happen, even though he has put
everything
>> in place for it to happen as v. 5 explains: He has sent Jesus Christ as the
>> mediator, but there is only one God. If people will not believe and
>acknowledge
>> this truth, they will not be saved.
>>
>> Although there is considerable overlap between the words, I do believe that
>>some
>> distinction is present. It is akin to, but not quite the same as, the
>>difference
>> between English "want" and "wish".
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Rollinson"
<rollinsondr at yahoo.com>
>> To: <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
>> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 9. marts 2011 02:14
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 2:4-5
>>
>>
>> Dear Beata,
>> Could it be that THELW qelw relates to THELHMA qelhma - what an individual
>> wishes or wants
>> and that BOULOMAI boulomai relates to BOULH boulh - what a council decides
>> together?
>>
>> thank you
>> Shirley Rollinson
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 9. Re: 1 Timothy 2:4-5 (Beata Urbanek)
>>
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