Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sriman TCA Venkatesan, You have misunderstood my standpoint. So, let me make it clear(atleast from my side). > I was quoting Nappinnai's note on doing things for > His pleasure (or displeasure as she mentioned :-)) > and wondering how it fit into her line of questioning > on the 'action' of the jIvatma. My response was to Sriman Krishnaswamy's(with rajan_s id) post wrt "paratantram is making oneself ready so as to deserve His krpa...". I didn't pose a question wrt sEshatvam and pAratantryam in the first place. I only asked wrt "making oneself ready". This addresses the issue of sahEtukam/nirhEtukam and freewill!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here ends my question. I am neither good in thamizh nor english but Smt Jayasree Saranathan's post says,"It is He who gives buddhi to those whom He wants to lift...". Sri piLLai lOkAcAryAr makes it very clear that "pApa and puNya are weighed in His eyes and not ours". I don't know(What I heard could be wrong or may not be authentic!!!)but duryOdhana tells srIkrshNa that "you're the one who instigates me to do such acts...". Those who are experts in mahAbhAratam can correct me. You mentioned in one of your post that sEshatvam gets destroyed (please generously forgive me if I misunderstood your writings). But it is not so. One devotee's reply confirmed that which coincided with Sri Sridhar Srinivasan's post as sEshatvam is the essential attribute of the soul. He also said that "that's why Sri KuraththAzhvAn was sent to Sri ThirukkOtiyUr nambi for verification". SEshatvam is always there in the background. This topic is so subtle that no matter how many mails we exchange we would further introduce non-clarity. So, I am going to stop with this as I am having personal interactions with Sri Chinna Jeeyar swamiji and some devotees along these lines. If I added some more confusion thro' this post or misread your post, pardon me. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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