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Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" 
<nrusimhann@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well,
> We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we 
give 
> up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde).
> adiyen,
> rAmAnuja dAsan

Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan

           We think(in GROSS ignorance)that we have independence. 
You're seeing things from surface aspect but when I see at the root 
level it is pathetic. The jIvAtmA doesn't have any independence.
Only when the jIvAtma thinks it has independence/freewill etc, it 
finds faults in others(b'coz it questions how come the other person 
doesn't think/act the way he/she does). When this ignorance is gone, 
a jIvAtma will find good in everybody. Even if another person 
behaves badly, or things go wrong, it will have the mindset to think 
that everything is His grace. As one devotee sent me a personal 
mail, sEshatvam is our birth right and pAratantryam is the 
understanding of our relation(state of mind)that we depend on 
Him,Him,Him alone!

           If I use that independence that you mentioned to give up 
the same,I'm exercising "self-effort". So, are you an advocate of 
sahEtukam? Let us assume that I use that independence for your 
satisfaction! You also have a mind and so do I. So I will expect and 
question how come you act/respond differently to the same 
scenario/situation than I do. This creates lot of negative traits! 
This will be a 100% block for any jIvAtmA to do bhAgavata kaimkaryam 
for sure! SEshatvam(or dAsatvam) will be out of viscinity of the 
jIvAtma.  

           You go to any genius(irrespective of the belief in God) 
dude. He will only tell that he is doing research. He knows very well
(in his heart and mind) that he is not searching anything new. 
Everything is already there. BTW, Socrates is considered as wise man 
b'coz he uttered  that he knows nothing instead of saying he knows 
everything! All these geniuses had academic gurus(some role models) 
but they didn't have a spiritual guru/AcAryA. That's why they 
tortured themselves wrt the existence/non-existence of God. An 
authentic guru(to transfer knowledge) is necessary in each and every 
field of life including academics. Academics is a part of life and 
not the other way round. All the views expressed here also belong to 
someoneelse and hence not original!

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
dAsAnu dAsI
NC Nappinnai 

           









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