Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhann@xxxx> wrote: > > > Well, > We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we give > up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde). > adiyen, > rAmAnuja dAsan Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan We think(in GROSS ignorance)that we have independence. You're seeing things from surface aspect but when I see at the root level it is pathetic. The jIvAtmA doesn't have any independence. Only when the jIvAtma thinks it has independence/freewill etc, it finds faults in others(b'coz it questions how come the other person doesn't think/act the way he/she does). When this ignorance is gone, a jIvAtma will find good in everybody. Even if another person behaves badly, or things go wrong, it will have the mindset to think that everything is His grace. As one devotee sent me a personal mail, sEshatvam is our birth right and pAratantryam is the understanding of our relation(state of mind)that we depend on Him,Him,Him alone! If I use that independence that you mentioned to give up the same,I'm exercising "self-effort". So, are you an advocate of sahEtukam? Let us assume that I use that independence for your satisfaction! You also have a mind and so do I. So I will expect and question how come you act/respond differently to the same scenario/situation than I do. This creates lot of negative traits! This will be a 100% block for any jIvAtmA to do bhAgavata kaimkaryam for sure! SEshatvam(or dAsatvam) will be out of viscinity of the jIvAtma. You go to any genius(irrespective of the belief in God) dude. He will only tell that he is doing research. He knows very well (in his heart and mind) that he is not searching anything new. Everything is already there. BTW, Socrates is considered as wise man b'coz he uttered that he knows nothing instead of saying he knows everything! All these geniuses had academic gurus(some role models) but they didn't have a spiritual guru/AcAryA. That's why they tortured themselves wrt the existence/non-existence of God. An authentic guru(to transfer knowledge) is necessary in each and every field of life including academics. Academics is a part of life and not the other way round. All the views expressed here also belong to someoneelse and hence not original! AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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