Well,
We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we give
up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde).
adiyen,
rAmAnuja dAsan
--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
>
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxx>
wrote:
> >
> > Samin,
> >
> > Independence is there and free will is there for all of us. That
is
> the sensual
> > reality part of our lives.
> >
> > Go deeper, you find that all is by his will.
>
> Then where is independence?
>
> >
> >>
> > So free will should no to surrender fully with senses.
Paratantryam
> should be sought with self will.
>
> If we seek pAratantryam out of our will, how is it pAratantryam?
>
> Dasan
> Vishnu
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