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Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
Dear Sriman TCA Venkatesan,

            Humble praNAms to you. I know you didn't say anything on 
your own(pAmbin kAl pambaRiyum:-)). I will surely share with the 
rest of the group the moment I hear from Sri Chinna Jeeyar 
swamiji,my AcAryA. Swamiji replied to some other questions of mine. 
One devotee told me that sEshatvam is a broad term which includes 
pAratantryam. That's why(the devotee said),sri piLLai lokAcAryAr 
chose lakshmaNa for upEyam and he quoted nampiLLai referred 
this "udanAy manni,vazhuvilA adimai" only to lakshmaNa. So, 
obviously sEshatvam can not get destroyed. It gets shrunken and it 
becomes pAratantryam(basically sEshatvam merges with pAratantryam if 
my understanding is correct!). I am still interacting with the 
devotees for further clarifications. I will post the updates.

            I personally felt sEshatvam is hard to develop. It's all 
the attitude. I don't know how many devotees would agree with me or 
felt the same way as I do. When I look at my rangubai
(sriranganAtha),He gives me joy taht I chant sriranganAtha gadyam 
and enjoy instead of thinking that I'm doing service to Him!!! It is 
the thought that matters and I feel it's He who has to bless that 
manOpakkuvam/manObhAvam also when we do that kaimkaryam to Him
(servitude attitude)/or His devotees. I have realized that I can not 
develop that servitude attitude by free/self will/independence. 
BTW,does not the Lord say He is the manas among the eleven senses
(BG10.22)? KaNNan vanjagan:-)

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
dAsAnu dAsI
NC Nappinnai



--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vtca" <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Ms Nappinnai,
> 
> adiyEn was not stating on my own that sEshatvam is 
> ("might be") destroyed. I was only quoting what pUrvAcharyas 
> have said and what latter day acharyas have coommented on 
> them. Mumukshuppadi says clearly "azhikkum pOdhu" and all 
> commentaries that I  have seen and heard on this state that 
> this refers to sEshatvam. One member in this forum said that 
> this means that simply the bhAvam is destroyed. I do not buy 
> that argument, as it sounds like the jIva is trying to fool 
> the Lord. All examples used for this - such as Azhvar 
> asking the Lord to massage his other feet, etc - indicate 
> that the role reversal is complete.
> 
> If sEshatvam alone is destroyed, then it is against the
> nature of the jIva. However, if that brings out 
> pAratantriyam, then it only means that the "ellai nilam"
> of sEshatvam has been brought out. That means, the jIva
> shines at its brightest in being a sEsha to the Lord. I
> think this has been discussed plenty in this forum. So,
> I am not sure I am adding anything new here.
> 
> I would be interested to hear what your interactions with
> other acharyas and scholars indicate. So, please do keep
> us posted if you can.
> 
> adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan









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