Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Dear Sriman TCA Venkatesan, Humble praNAms to you. I know you didn't say anything on your own(pAmbin kAl pambaRiyum:-)). I will surely share with the rest of the group the moment I hear from Sri Chinna Jeeyar swamiji,my AcAryA. Swamiji replied to some other questions of mine. One devotee told me that sEshatvam is a broad term which includes pAratantryam. That's why(the devotee said),sri piLLai lokAcAryAr chose lakshmaNa for upEyam and he quoted nampiLLai referred this "udanAy manni,vazhuvilA adimai" only to lakshmaNa. So, obviously sEshatvam can not get destroyed. It gets shrunken and it becomes pAratantryam(basically sEshatvam merges with pAratantryam if my understanding is correct!). I am still interacting with the devotees for further clarifications. I will post the updates. I personally felt sEshatvam is hard to develop. It's all the attitude. I don't know how many devotees would agree with me or felt the same way as I do. When I look at my rangubai (sriranganAtha),He gives me joy taht I chant sriranganAtha gadyam and enjoy instead of thinking that I'm doing service to Him!!! It is the thought that matters and I feel it's He who has to bless that manOpakkuvam/manObhAvam also when we do that kaimkaryam to Him (servitude attitude)/or His devotees. I have realized that I can not develop that servitude attitude by free/self will/independence. BTW,does not the Lord say He is the manas among the eleven senses (BG10.22)? KaNNan vanjagan:-) AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "vtca" <vtca@xxxx> wrote: > > > Dear Ms Nappinnai, > > adiyEn was not stating on my own that sEshatvam is > ("might be") destroyed. I was only quoting what pUrvAcharyas > have said and what latter day acharyas have coommented on > them. Mumukshuppadi says clearly "azhikkum pOdhu" and all > commentaries that I have seen and heard on this state that > this refers to sEshatvam. One member in this forum said that > this means that simply the bhAvam is destroyed. I do not buy > that argument, as it sounds like the jIva is trying to fool > the Lord. All examples used for this - such as Azhvar > asking the Lord to massage his other feet, etc - indicate > that the role reversal is complete. > > If sEshatvam alone is destroyed, then it is against the > nature of the jIva. However, if that brings out > pAratantriyam, then it only means that the "ellai nilam" > of sEshatvam has been brought out. That means, the jIva > shines at its brightest in being a sEsha to the Lord. I > think this has been discussed plenty in this forum. So, > I am not sure I am adding anything new here. > > I would be interested to hear what your interactions with > other acharyas and scholars indicate. So, please do keep > us posted if you can. > > adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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