Dear Swamin
Adiyen saw this definition in your posting that
> What is our bench mark to evaluate the state of our
sampradhayam?
>One belongs to Srivaishnavam if one's objective is
>Moksham (eternal bhagavath kainkaryam) and moksham
>only. If someone is not with that objective how can we
>say that they belong to our sampradhayam? In this
>light, the experience swamin had with that lady,
>singing about a baba or dhabha, she obviously is NOT
>interested in moksham and interested in other
>materialistic things. How can we say that she belongs
>to our sampradhayam? These 'askthika nasthikas' should
>simply be ignored as 'moorkas'. Why do we even
>evaluate our sampradhayam based on these people? If
>this is our bench mark, yes our sampradhayam is in a
>bad state.
depicts that those willing to attain Moksham are supposed to be called SriVaishnavas , Adiyen beg to differ He is Sarva Seshy , he cant differentiate btw Alwar and rest of the Seshas and He is every where and what not , if you look into Alwar Divya Prabhandams
" avaravar iRayavar ena ady adayvargal ,
avaravar iRayavar kuraivilar iRaiyavar
avaravar vidy vazhy adaya ninRanarE"
in TVM 1st decade itself
what does it mean ? does Alwar say that those worship other Gods are in lower rung compare to the so called SriVaishnavas.
Also purushArtham for a SriVaishnava is certainly not Moksham , thats His Job , we are by swaroopam "Parathanthriyan" then how come we can choose our abode .
Adiyen feel All are SriVaishnavA in the world "no difference" what they do . Simply because He is always with all JeevAthmAs and Sri as well (this is also Alwar's "eerach chol ") , so Adiyen humbly request you to not to make such difference amongst us .
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
Guna
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 Sampath Kumar Padmanaban wrote :
>Sri:
>Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
>Srimath Varavara Munaye Namaha
>
>Dear Sri.Soundararajan swamin,
>
>Kindly accept adiyen's pranams. Adiyen read your mails
>with much more interest than most of the mails in this
>forum. Swamin's focus and input on our sampradhayam
>are much needed boost to elementary level students
>like me. However, adiyen beg to differ with you that
>our sampradhayam is in a bad state. Adiyen for once
>feel confident that our sampradhayam is in a strong
>state. However, the 'true membership' has dwindled.
>Adiyen wish to present three points.
>
>1. What is our bench mark to evaluate the state of our
>sampradhayam?
>One belongs to Srivaishnavam if one's objective is
>Moksham (eternal bhagavath kainkaryam) and moksham
>only. If someone is not with that objective how can we
>say that they belong to our sampradhayam? In this
>light, the experience swamin had with that lady,
>singing about a baba or dhabha, she obviously is NOT
>interested in moksham and interested in other
>materialistic things. How can we say that she belongs
>to our sampradhayam? These 'askthika nasthikas' should
>simply be ignored as 'moorkas'. Why do we even
>evaluate our sampradhayam based on these people? If
>this is our bench mark, yes our sampradhayam is in a
>bad state.
>
>It is unneccesary for me to say that no one becomes a
>SriVaishnava by birth, whatever is the family
>background. After going through the samsaric cycle for
>many many births and deaths, through bhaghavatha
>sambhandham one gets acharya sambhandham. And
>eventually acharya sambhandham leads us to maha
>viswasam and finally to Emberuman sambhandham. And all
>this happens by His nirhetuka krupai only. Adiyen
>would view that lady's state as some one who is in
>lower rung of this ladder and pray to Emberuman to
>make her move faster. But I am not going to evaluate
>our sampradhayam based on her, becuase there are
>billions like her.
>
>2. Why are we in the state we are now?
>Swamin raised a question that why can?t our acharyas
>stress that we should worship ONLY Sriman nArAyaNA and
>nobody else. But, it is beyond doubt and with
>absolutely no uncertainty that our acharyas have
>stressed this point. However, this message is not well
>circulated amongst us. That is becuase our
>poorvacharyas vyakyanams and exceptional works are in
>a state not easily understandable by present
>generation. For example, how many of the younger
>generation today would even dare to open and read one
>page of 'Edu' and try to understand? This is where the
>success of ISKCON is obvious. Sri.Prabhupadha made
>'all' of their sampradhaya messeges so easily
>available in simple english. Adiyen personally know
>many many gaudiya vaishnavas follow that sampradhayam
>becuase it is presented to them in an easier way.
>
>There is a set of books called ?Eettin Thamizhakkam?
>(meaning Edu in simple Thamizh). These books are
>written by a scholar about 30 years before and
>published by University of Madras in a set of 10
>volumes and provide ?Edu? in a simple Thamizh style.
>However, this is not available any more. During my
>last trip to India, I had to do lot of digging in
>University book store to trace some of the volumes of
>this book. I found few volumes with total damage lying
>in a corner of the room on floor, where as mundane
>novels are protected in moisture proof containers.
>That is the state of our sampradhayam. So, our focus
>must be on bringing in to light these kinds of works
>more and more to lime light and strengthening our
>foundation. May be even that lady would change.
>
>3. Why are we still arguing about our internal
>differences?
>Any sampradhayam is bound to have different view
>points. As long as the fundamentals and final
>objective are the same, these differences in approach
>and practice must be viewed in a healthy and positive
>way with mutual respect and cooperation. However, even
>today in our sampradhayam, I see elders twice my age
> from both the schools try to score victory over the
>other as if this is a contest. If today?s elders
>realize that even after one life time, they could not
>dissolve the differences, at least they need not pass
>it on to the next generation. May be over a period of
>time these differences will die themselves. I don?t
>want my grand son or grand daughter to be still
>classified as some ?kalai? instead of simply
>SriVaishnavas.
>
>Swamin, kindly accept adiyen?s apology for any
>apacharams. It is not my intention to prove a point or
>anything. Adiyen personally feel that if Emberuman
>could choose even some one like me to surrender unto
>him unconditionally, our sampradhayam is not in any
>danger. Even though I am an elementary level student,
>I am not young. I am almost 40 (half the well is
>crossed) and still in a beginning state. May be that
>is the state of our sampradhayam.
>
>Regards
>
>Adiyen
>Ramanuja Dasan
>Sampath Kumar Padmanaban
>
>
>Azhwar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam
>Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam
>
>
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