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Dear Vimalkumar Ranganathan Swamy
Agreed that these are to be taught by her Acharyan, as you know in this sphere where we are geographically apart , its pretty difficult for them as well to monitor and try to correct individuals, so Adiyen feel the facilitation should be done by others who are near by, to tell the correct thing, but if you feel you cant sell the concept due to various reasons , He only should find a way ..

>Let us not confuse the concept of nirhEtukA kripa with mundane >lifestyle. A human being should have principles. Our principles are >laid down by the knowledgeable(parents/elders). We are taught not to >steal, not to be violent, not eat meat etc, and we stick them as >principles. As aspiring Sri VaishnavAs, our principles should be set >to higher standards than the mundane, as laid down by our >poorvAchAryAs.

I am not clear why His KrupA cant stand with Mundane life style ?
Also I am not sure what do you mean by aspiring SriVaishnava ?
What is the standard we are talking about (as set by PoorvAcharyas)?

If answers for all these are life styles , I am sorry I have diff of concept .

What ever you do(whether its mindane or special Yagam etc) , its His sankalpa, you cant change it , also as I said in other mail as well He is very much related to ALL EQUALLY
so am not clear what you wish to do xtra to become a SriVaishnava ..

Adiyen
Guna


On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 vimalkumar ranganathan wrote :
>Dear Sri Guna Swamin,
>                                  I think you've gotten me wrong. You say teach the swaroopam. But, to "teach", one has to be in a position to teach. Like they say, "walk the talk". We have to elevate ourselves to a decent level before we start preaching. Do you think I can talk reason to the kind, old lady?? No, I don't want to waste my time. This is where the role of the AchAryan sets in, for she'd listen to her AchAryan that to me. The AchAryan needs to explicitly give instructions.
>                                  Let us not confuse the concept of nirhEtukA kripa with mundane lifestyle. A human being should have principles. Our principles are laid down by the knowledgeable(parents/elders). We are taught not to steal, not to be violent, not eat meat etc, and we stick them as principles. As aspiring Sri VaishnavAs, our principles should be set to higher standards than the mundane, as laid down by our poorvAchAryAs.
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>You said:
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>"Adiyen wish to calrify my thougt process few , I could see that you wish to put certain hard followed conditions to the human beings , if I am correct , thats not the way, better way is to tell them whats with Him and try to get into the reason why she is praying Sai Baba , she is not that much foolish to pray them , she would have looked for some materialistic return and got it thru them , think about the pAsuram "Kama roopam Kondu ElunthalipAn " , its His leela"
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>What we can make effort is to teach the swaroopam to them , see if you are so agitated now because you know the swaroopam "Ananya Seshathvam Kazhigy" , not many people are aware of such things . So in the practice what Adiyen observed is by putting any rules or regulations you cant change them unless you teach the swaroopa lakshanam to them "
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>I didn't suggest that we should lay down any rules on regulations on that lady. We have to ensure that atleast from this point forward we can re-vitalize our sampradayam so that atleast our near-and-dear ones atleast don't end up as saibaba devotees. And to drive the point, we should try to ensure that our imperfections are minimal.
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>You said:
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>Why we should give up all these ? if you give up every thing are you sure of what r u supposed to get , Adiyen feel NO, these are not the upAyam, thats why our poorvAcharyas never dealt with what is your food habit, what are all the Vrudhams you should etc , these are pretty ritualistic in nature , to neechan like me I will think more on those prohibited items rather than Him :(
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>I am totally surprised at this statement. You can please enjoy your onion sambhar, but kindly don't say it is fine. As it is not. In the Bhagawad Gita, Lord Krishna clearly says that a human being is characterized by the food that he eats. Before one starts preaching, he needs to ensure his moral standii. We follow the food practices for the following reasons:
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>1) They are not of the sattvic kind, and they are known to be sensual stimulants
>2) Coffee/Tea are not to be drunk for the same reason that one shouldn't smoke/drink; caffeine is an addictive drug.
>3) Above all, we don't offer these food types to the Lord, this is one of the main reasons.
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>But, giving up Onion/Garlic is not the goal, for even monkeys are vegetarian. These are factors which are supposed to be hurdles to one's spiritual advancement. Can we talk about "Yathiraja Vimsati" to a young Sri Vaishnava with a strong garlic smell in the mouth?? As a young boy of 16, I was really unimpressed when I saw one of the Bhattars of the Tirumala Temple enjoying his meals at a local restaurant. As a novice (not even an aspirant then), that left a bad taste on my mind, and the same day I saw some nice ISKCON devotees displaying their top-most devotion (a westerner says he doesn't wear any shoes in Tirumala as it is Vaikuntham itself, and he won't eat food except than the one that is OFFERED to the lord, forget even onion/garlic).
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>First of all, let us understand the meaning of the word, AchAryA. Means, "the one who leads by example". As the followers of the AchAryan, we are supposed to follow whatever he says/does. And the good AchAryan represents Swami Ramanuja and nobody else. If one is in an unforeseen circumstance, that is a different issue. But, to the maximum, we should REGULATE OURSELVES.
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>It is a matter of convenience that our AchAryan doesn't state these explicitly, is it not?? Well, can I pillage or plunder and reason, "Well, my AchAryan doesn't say anything about it"??
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>Talking of degeneration, it is indeed sad that I have to even justify that the most rudimentary aspects of the Sri VaishnA lifestyle. Swami VedAnta dEsikan has explicitly mentioned the rules and regulations, including the food habits as well. If one says, "no, he is a VK achArya, hence I don't have to follow that", well, "God save the queen..."
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>-Dasan.
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