Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha: Dear Vaishnava, We can understand Perumal in three ways.Universal form, Paramathma and lastly Lord as a person. Every body cannot understand Perumal. We should have transcendental eyes to see perumal. We can not understand him with our defectful senses. Hehas senses. but his senses are spritual. His one sense can do the work of other. ( his leg can eat and He can see with His mouth ,like that) Thats why when we offer Prsadam dont think He will not eat. He is eating with His eyes.Coming to the point, Neophytes understand Him in Universal Form. All universes are within his universal body.( they are countless).When we drink sweet water we can think of him for giving us pure water. when we see the hills rivers , flowers and rivers etc. we can understand there is God and He provided us these things. Without a Form we can understand Him in His Universal form. This form is mentioned in vishnuSahasranamam as formless.And secondly we can understand him as paramatma dwelling in our hearts and in each atom, accompanying our soul as a friend. Yogis concentrate in this form. In this form He is with His four hands with Conchshell,Chakra , lotus flower and with Abaya Hastham.And lostly He is in the Form of Purusha , spiritual, which is full of bliss.Only devottees can understand Him as He is.We can see him with spiritual eyes but not with this material eyes.We have four defects in life, imperfect senses,cheating propensity,under the illusion of Maya and committing mistakes.If we really want to see Him we should have pure bhakthi without any material desires.Thats why having compassion for us he has residing in the Archa forms in the temples. We think that it is only a statue. No .He is there standing before us in His Spiritual form. but we cannot see Him with our conditioned eyes. One should cultivate pure bhakthi and perform devotional service without expecting any material rewards from Him and do bhakthi only for His sake, We can see Him in His pure Spiritual form. These three forms of the Lord , Universal form which consists all universes within, Paramathma, and Purusha is like sunsrays,sunglobe and sun itself.We dont see anything in the rays, only light. secondly the globle we can see it round and big but not fully about that. but when we enter the sun we can see everything there in the sun. Like that Purusha is Person and like the sun planet.So Perumal has a blissful body but spiritual but not material like that of ours.If we go to Vaikuntha everybody there has Spiritual bodies like that of Vishnu with four hands. Pure souls with unconditional bhakthi for Vishnu will go to Vaikuntha and attain spiritual bodies there to do devotional service there.When we , the conditional souls have a body Why not God , our father who created us?He has spiritual body , with all six opulances unlimitedly.They are beauty, fame, wealth, strength, knowledge and renunciation. we the mortals have them limitedly.Pl. never think God has no body.Adiyen explained this with my limited knowledge. Krishna Dasee Vedavalli Ranganathan Alwar emperumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale charanam!! i think i have explained this with my limited knowledge urefum.ndarrajansrivilliputtur@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Shri : > > Shri kaarimaaran swami thiruvadikalae saranam. > > dear bhagavatas > > > > Pranaams. > > > > adiyaen is having trouble in understanding our > almighty > > adiyaen siriyaen ,eliyaen.... i am still a trainee > in srivaishnavism philosophy... > > > > I hope you will not get angry with my words. vaasaka > dhosham santhavyaha... > > almost 30% of Vishnu sahasranaamam is saying that > > our almighty has no form ,but he is big,great , he > encompasses everything (in the universe) > > & he has no matter within himself(like a bliss) > > to quote randomly some samples .... one or two ... > > aneka roopa roopaaya ( therefore he is formless .. > he is visible in pluralities) > > Guhyo , gabheero , gahano... > > => ( he has no form , he is formless , therefore he > can not be conceived with our > > senses !!!) > > Ajo durmarashana-saasthaaa ( he can not be attacked > with any weapons - he is like a > > shadow , he is unborn in the womb...) > > > > Amoorthy ranakocinyo.... (he is formless) > > > > swayambhu... ( he is a total one father of universe > ) > > anirdesyavapur-vishnu -veero nantho.. - therefore he > has no form > > Please be informed that every sanskrit naama of our > almighty word has as > > many as 3 explanations. but in total they stress > these ... > > Kaarimaaran (Ji)swami (Our Lone torchbearer of this > srivaishnavam,My only hope of moksham ) > > also says the same thing. Mananunar valavilan ... > pori-unar vavaiyilan (1.1.2) - he > > can not be conceived !!! > > Contradictary starts here for me !!! (how can i > reach someone who is formless ? ) > > ======================== > > His Formful explanation. > > ================ > > Given this case ,why all the other descriptions say > that he has four hands, 5 aayudhas, lotus eyed , > with a shri vatsa mark on his chest , he has > vaijayante (always fresh ) maala ,lotus feets, > > lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya thirumeni , > blue bodied , white face > > (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall glittering > crown > > > > vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe > with milky ocean which is called as > > parama padam (highest abode) so called our moksham( > our final destination) > > what is the situation of those who have already > attained salvation. ? how can they attain > > formless salvation (bliss). > > Does athma has eyes ? i am aware that athma has (& > may carry ) knowledge during salvation. > > how can our aathma can see him without eyes. > > am i imagining my aathma like a dust in the air -- > (anur-brihat..krisha-sthoolaa) > > Please clarify , and apologise if i have confused > you ? > > > > Adiyaen ..(Half baked Bread ..) > > (Muthal Thaai) Sadagopan Daasan > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Home Page
http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia |
ramanuja-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the list |