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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

Dear Vaishnava,

              We can understand Perumal in three
ways.Universal form, Paramathma and lastly Lord as a
person. Every body cannot understand Perumal. We
should have transcendental eyes to see perumal. We can
not  understand him with our defectful senses. Hehas
senses. but his senses are spritual. His one sense can
do the work of other. ( his leg can eat and He can see
with His mouth ,like that) Thats why when we offer
Prsadam dont think He will not eat. He is eating with
His eyes.Coming to the point, Neophytes understand Him
in Universal Form. All universes  are within his
universal body.( they are countless).When we drink
sweet water we can think of him for giving us pure
water. when we see the hills rivers , flowers and
rivers etc. we can understand there is God and He
provided us these things. Without a Form we can
understand Him in His Universal form. This form is
mentioned in vishnuSahasranamam as formless.And
secondly we can understand him as paramatma dwelling
in our hearts and in each atom, accompanying our soul
as a friend. Yogis concentrate in this form. In this
form He is with  His four hands with Conchshell,Chakra
, lotus flower and with Abaya Hastham.And lostly He is
in the Form of Purusha , spiritual, which is full of
bliss.Only devottees can understand Him as He is.We
can see him with spiritual eyes but not with this
material eyes.We have four defects in life, imperfect
senses,cheating propensity,under the  illusion of Maya
and committing mistakes.If we really want to see Him
we should have pure bhakthi without any material
desires.Thats why having compassion for us he has
residing in the Archa forms in the temples. We think
that it is only a statue. No .He is there standing
before us in His Spiritual form. but we cannot see Him
with our conditioned eyes. One should cultivate  pure
bhakthi  and perform devotional service without
expecting any material rewards from Him and do bhakthi
only for His sake, We can see Him in His pure
Spiritual form. 

        These three forms of the Lord , Universal form
which consists all universes within, Paramathma, and
Purusha is like sunsrays,sunglobe and sun itself.We
dont see anything in the rays, only light. secondly
the globle we can see it round and big but not fully
about that. but when we enter the sun we can see
everything there in the sun. Like that  Purusha is
Person and like the sun planet.So Perumal has a
blissful body but spiritual but not material like that
of ours.If we go to Vaikuntha everybody there has
Spiritual bodies like that of Vishnu with four hands.
Pure souls with unconditional bhakthi for Vishnu will
go to Vaikuntha and attain spiritual bodies there to
do devotional service there.When we  , the conditional
souls have a body Why not God , our father who created
us?He has spiritual body , with all six opulances
unlimitedly.They are beauty, fame, wealth, strength,
knowledge and renunciation. we the mortals have them
limitedly.Pl. never think God has no body.Adiyen
explained this with my limited knowledge.


Krishna Dasee 

Vedavalli Ranganathan

Alwar emperumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale charanam!!








i think i have explained this with my limited
knowledge
urefum.ndarrajansrivilliputtur@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
>                        Shri :
> 
> Shri kaarimaaran swami thiruvadikalae saranam.
> 
> dear bhagavatas
> 
> 
> 
> Pranaams.
> 
> 
> 
> adiyaen is having trouble in understanding our
> almighty
> 
> adiyaen siriyaen ,eliyaen.... i am still a trainee
> in srivaishnavism philosophy...
> 
> 
> 
> I hope you will not get angry with my words. vaasaka
> dhosham santhavyaha...
> 
> almost 30% of Vishnu sahasranaamam is saying that 
> 
> our almighty has no form ,but he is big,great , he
> encompasses everything (in the universe)
> 
> & he has no matter within himself(like a bliss)
> 
> to quote randomly some samples .... one or two ...
> 
> aneka roopa roopaaya ( therefore he is formless ..
> he is visible in pluralities) 
> 
> Guhyo , gabheero , gahano... 
> 
> => ( he has no form , he is formless , therefore he
> can not be conceived with our 
> 
> senses !!!)
> 
> Ajo durmarashana-saasthaaa ( he can not be attacked
> with any weapons - he is like a 
> 
> shadow , he is unborn in the womb...) 
> 
> 
> 
> Amoorthy ranakocinyo.... (he is formless)
> 
> 
> 
> swayambhu... ( he is a total one father of universe
> )
> 
> anirdesyavapur-vishnu -veero nantho.. - therefore he
> has no form
> 
> Please be informed that every sanskrit naama of our
> almighty word has as 
> 
> many as 3 explanations. but in total they stress
> these ... 
> 
> Kaarimaaran (Ji)swami (Our Lone torchbearer of this
> srivaishnavam,My only hope of moksham ) 
> 
> also says the same thing. Mananunar valavilan ...
> pori-unar vavaiyilan (1.1.2) - he 
> 
> can not be conceived !!!
> 
> Contradictary starts here for me !!! (how can i
> reach someone who is formless ? )
> 
> ========================
> 
> His Formful explanation. 
> 
> ================
> 
> Given this case ,why all the other descriptions say
> that he has four hands, 5 aayudhas, lotus eyed ,
> with a shri vatsa mark on his chest , he has
> vaijayante (always fresh ) maala ,lotus feets,
> 
> lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya thirumeni ,
> blue bodied , white face 
> 
> (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall glittering
> crown 
> 
> 
> 
> vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe
> with milky ocean which is called as 
> 
> parama padam (highest abode) so called our moksham(
> our final destination)
> 
> what is the situation of those who have already
> attained salvation. ? how can they attain
> 
> formless salvation (bliss).
> 
> Does athma has eyes ? i am aware that athma has (&
> may carry ) knowledge during salvation.
> 
> how can our aathma can see him without eyes.
> 
> am i imagining my aathma like a dust in the air --
> (anur-brihat..krisha-sthoolaa) 
> 
> Please clarify , and apologise if i have confused
> you ?
> 
> 
> 
> Adiyaen ..(Half baked Bread ..)
> 
> (Muthal Thaai) Sadagopan Daasan
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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