[B-Greek] Eph 1:15 Provisional Translation

David Bielby dbielby at bloomingtonvineyard.org
Wed Apr 20 15:39:51 EDT 2005


Thanks Jim.  It's funny that my wife just got done telling me the same thing
about 'confidence'.  On TDNT is that Kittel's?  If so I have the whole set
at the office, but am at home today.  I'll check it next time I'm at work.

I'll be curious to see the article on AGAPH.  I really like Spicq's article
on AGAPH that someone pointed out to me via this list several years ago, but

it's been awhile since I've read that as well.  I just want to try to
capture the warmth of AGAPH with a leaning towards action...which is why I
chose affection.  Thanks for the insight.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim West [mailto:jwest at highland.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:14 PM
To: David Bielby; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Eph 1:15 Provisional Translation



David Bielby wrote:

> Ephesians 1:15- 
>DIA TOUTO KAGW AKOUSAS THN KAQ UMAS PISTIN EN TW KURIW IHSOU KAI THN AGAPHN
>THN EIS PANTAS TOUS AGIOUS  
>
> 
>
>I have a provisional translation as this. Eph 1:15   "So when I heard about
>your confidence in the master Jesus and affection for all his devoted
>followers,"
>

I'm not sure "confidence" carries the full weight of "pistis".  Have you 
at hand a copy of TDNT?  The article on the "pistis" group is excellent 
in terms of offering assistance in just the task you are undertaking.  
When I hear "confidence" I think "here's somebody I can tell a secret to 
who won't blab it".  "Pistis" is a bit different.  I would try "complete 
trust".

"master" i like.  "Lord" is pretty much empty of meaning to we moderns.

Likewise, your rendering of "agape" with "affection" seems a weakening 
of the intention.  "agape" isn't mere affection.  Indeed, it surpasses 
that by 10 fold.  And again, TDNT is terribly helpful with offering a 
semantic field that will assist you.  I would suggest something along 
the lines of "unreserved love".

"devoted followers" - I like that too.  That gets to the very heart of 
"agious".

Best

Jim

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