From: Lance Crimm (Lance_Crimm@daystar.com)
Date: Fri Jun 20 1997 - 09:39:45 EDT
Mail*Link(r) Remote RE>>John 6 and KAI EUQUS
I agree with some of your ideas. Most specifically the idea that
EUQEWS can mean more immediate than EUQUS and I thank you
for your excellent and studious resources you sent. I filed the
message to refer to it was so good (I also do that to a lot of
good messages here that need my remembering. I know there are archives
and stuff, but this is easier :) Anyway, I am still unsure about
this idea that John followed or received inspiration from Mark's
writings. I like to think it is all his own. Maybe that is
biased on my part, but perhaps he did read Mark's "quick story"
(I agree with you on this point as well) and subsequently
wanted to fill in the details. I don't know for sure but I am
eager to learn.
Thanks so much,
Date: 6/19/97 6:05 PM
To: Lance Crimm
On 19 Jun 97 (09:53:25), email@example.com wrote:
>=A0I hope I haven't gone to far into getting away from the Greek text,
>=A0but=A0it is the meaning of EUQUS that I am after to ensure that this
>=A0exegetical interpretation is valid. Zerwick downplays the idea
>=A0that EUQUS always means immediately in his Mark section and indicates
>=A0that it should be rendered "and then."
>=A0Anyone having any thoughts on this or books that discuss it, I would
>=A0greatly appreaciate learning from you.
EUQEWS seems to mean quicker off the mark than EUQUS; but one cannot be
overly dogmatic about this. On the difference between the two, my Arndt &
Gingrich refers the enquirer to H von Soden, /Die Schriften des neuen
Testamenten/, I.2, 1911, p 1391; and H Pernot, Etudes sur la langue des
Evangiles,=A01927, pp 181ff.
Mark is the young-man-in-a-hurry Evangelist; he uses EUQUS and EUQEWS,
mostly the latter, to mean "immediately" or "and straightway...".
Did John have a particular respect for Mark's Gospel over the others?
1. Mark 2:11-12 KRABBATON John 5:8-9; Luke uses KLINH (except Acts 5:15=
2. Mark 6:37 DHNARIWN DIAKOSIWN ARTOUS John 6:7; Matthew and Luke omit.=
3. Mark 14:3 PISTIKHS John 12:3; a double hAPAX LEGOMENON, Mark/John.
4. Mark 14:42 EGEIRESQE AGWMEN John 14:31; a little strained in John?
5. Mark 14:54 hO PETROS QERMAINOMENOS John 18:18; omitted by Matthew & Luk=
6. Mark 15:9 QELETE APOLUSW hUMIN TON BASILEIA TWN IOUDAIWN; John 18:39.=
There is much "Q" material John could have used, but he preferred to
follow Mark. John never agrees with Matthew and/or Luke against Mark.
CK=A0Barrett says there was "a permeation of the writer of John's mind by
Mark"=A0but "he never copies it". So there were the odd phrases which "sti=
-=A0like KAI EUQUS and EUQEWS.
As for the pericope itself, William Hendriksen, /John/, Banner of Truth,
London, 1959, p 227, sees four miracles in one:
a. Jesus walks on the water;
b. He causes Peter to do likewise (not in John);
c. He stills the wind and the waves of the storm (again not in John);
d. He causes the boat to be immediately on the beach EPI THS GHS.
Bengel in his /Gnomon/ comments baldly "EUQEWS - immediately) A new
miracle" (ET, Edinburgh, 1870, vol 2 p 317).
BF Westcott comments "EPI THS GHS may mean /in the direction of the land/,=
that is, 'moving straight towards the land'; but it more probably means
/on the land/, being used of the vessel run up on the beach. Compare
Psalm 107:30. The Synpotists notice that the opposing forces were
removed (Matt 14:32; Mark 6:51, /the wind ceased/); St John that the
desired end was gained. Both results followed at once from the presence
of=A0Christ welcomed." (/Speaker's Commentary/, 1882 ed., ad loc).
HB Swete, /The Gospel according to St Mark/, 3rd ed., Macmillans,
London, 1920, p 8, writes on Mark 1:10 s.v. EUQUS:
"(Wycliffe, /anoon/) is characteristic of=A0Mc. - 'ein Lieblingswort des
Markus,' Schanz - occuring Mc.41 Mt.19 Lc.7;=A0Mt. shews a similar partial=
for TOTE. In the LXX (Gen 15:4, 38:29) KAI EUQUS=3Dwehinneh=3DKAI IDOU, a
phrase=A0which, though common in the other Gospels, is not used by Mc.
Of the forms EUQUS, EUQEWS the first only occurs in Mc.; the second
predominates in the rest of the N.T. (32/12)."
-- =A0Ben Crick, BA Bristol, 1963 (hons in Theology) =A0<firstname.lastname@example.org> 232 Canterbury Road, Birchington, Kent, CT7 9TD (UK) =A0
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